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    • If you are flying away tomorrow (or rather this) morning I'd just forget about complaining to the police now.  As BF said earlier it's probably just a waste of your time anyway so I wouldn't worry about it.  Forget it for now.  Have a safe flight and concentrate on your other thread against Aviva.
    • I'm afraid you won't get a complaint drafted before tomorrow morning - and I think most others here think it would be a waste of time anyway and that the police decision won't change.  I would ask for a review and make a complaint on principle, but I suspect you are better off concentrating your effort on your other thread and direct complaint against Aviva.   Unless you are out of the country for an extended period I'd wait until your return before considering futrther whwther to complain about the police.   [ By the way, just so that you don't mislead yourself as it's a mistake many people make, ALL agreements are "verbal" in that they are composed of words.  Some agreements are in writing and others are oral, spoken or vocal.  The law recognises oral or spoken agreements just as much as ones that are written down.  The only practical difference is that oral agreements can be difficult to prove in a dispute]
    • Just to add there is a scheme called the Victim's Right to Review.  It basically applies to decisions made by the CPS not to go ahead with a prosecution.  It doesn't apply to decisions made by local police forces, but it does say:   19.  Decisions that are not eligible for VRR include: ... iii where the police or other investigator exercises their independent discretion not to investigate or not to investigate a case further (whether in consultation with the CPS or not) and the CPS have not been requested / have been unable to make a final decision to charge. Requests for review of such decisions should instead be addressed to the relevant police force/other investigator; [My bold] Victims' Right to Review Scheme | The Crown Prosecution Service WWW.CPS.GOV.UK   I'm not familiar with the scheme so can't advise - but other posters here may know about it or have experience of it.  You need to read the above link but note that it talks about things that seem to fit your situation.   eg a victim is defined as ‘a person who has made an allegation that they have suffered harm, including physical, mental or emotional harm or economic loss which was directly caused by criminal conduct’.   If you have not already requested that the police review their decision not to pass the case onto the CPS, then I would do so.  If you are not happy with the outcome of that, complain.   I can't advise you definitely to go ahead and ask for a review or complain, but if I were in your situation that is what I would do.  But I tend to agree with BankFodder that you'll get nowhere and, if you are sick and tired of all this and just want it to go away, then just drop the police.  However, if you don't try...   [Apologies for the italic typeface/font - it's the above link causing it.  The italics should have stopped at the end of the third para above ending ' ... criminal conduct'.  I can't change it.  Very annoying]
    • @Manxman in exile I eloped to get with my husband si my husband and siblings never sat together in the same room .   Hes claiming a verbal agreement was made but a verbal agreement doesn't hold any water in the eyes of the law..no agreement was made I was in Leeds with my toddler.    He has made use of the policy , had the luxury of the insurance and reversed the money back and now Aviva are coming after me.   You've summed it up well is there anyone in the group that can help me draft the complaint to the police as I'm flying out first thing tomorrow and my head is all over the place.   My husband me Mr z , my late father and eldest brother were at this meeting supposedly when the verbal agreement was made but yet the officer took a statement off the eldest brother and didn't take it off the husband and based the final decision on the eldest brothers statement and Mr Z and all other evidence which is in written form has been completely dismissed    I'm fighting it all alone coming from an Asian background I am getting taunts and salt is bring rubbed on my wounds its not been a pleasant experience yo say the least trying to prove my innocence and having to listen to the b******* being spouted out by everyone whilst Mr Z is walking away not guilty 
    • I would complain to the police - even if I thought it would go nowhere.  I can't see that you have anything to lose.   I can't tell you the grounds of your complaint because I don't know the details of everything that has happened (you know better than I do)  and because I've found much of the story too difficult to follow.     But - based on everything you have told us - it seems to me that your brother has clearly committed fraud by obtaining the benefit of an insurance policy by falsely misrepresenting that he was opening the policy on your behalf and also by falsely misrepresenting himself - or a third party - as being your husband.  If your brother could not have taken out that policy without making those misrepresentations, then he has committed fraud.  It doesn't matter whether the victim was Aviva or you  and it doesn't matter if the victim realises they've been defrauded or not - the police should investigate it properly.  In this case you are the ultimate victim of the fraud because Aviva are saying that you owe them for the premiums on the policy your brother fraudulently took out, so whether Aviva consider they were the victims of fraud or not is irrelevant - they don't care because you end up as the fall guy.  Point out that this may have ended in a civil dispute over a debt between you and Aviva, but that that debt directly arises as a result of your brother's fraud in claiming to be acting on your behalf and by impersonating your brother.   One of the reasons the police seem to have dropped this case (and this needs to be one of your main grounds of complaint I think) is that they have accepted without question your brother's statement that your husband was somehow involved or in some way agreed to your brother taking this policy out in your name, and the police have simply and uncritically accepted your brother's word on that without ever speaking to your husband, who would vigourously deny it.    (I can't make any better suggestion than that because, to be honest, I don't follow what has happened.  If you never authorised your brother to open this insurance policy at all then I don't understand why the police would place any importance at all on your husband being present at a meeting with your brother.  What did your husband's presence have to do with the insurance policy?  Even if he had been at such meeting (which you say he denies) then how could he authorise anything on your behalf?  None of it makes any sense to me and I can't see why the police would think it did.)   Challenge the police to explain to you why they believe there is insufficient evidence to pass this on to the CPS   I would follow the published complaints procedure of the police force in question and I would also send a copy to your local Police and Crime Commissioner.   I think the main problem here is that (despite what the nice woman PC may have suggested to you) the police have never considered you to be the victim.  You need to demonstrate to them via your complaint that you are the victim here.   One other question: is your husband and are your family supporting you through this, or are you going it alone?
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A letter from Gladstones solicitors arrived 14/8/21 for a unpaid parking in stourport 05/20

I appealed this through a company called parking fines ltd

 

i received several letters from debt recovery plus which i was advised were safe to ignore as they were dealing with it

The letters stopped and i forgot about it until this letter arrived

 

What should i do now any ideas

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Hi.

 

Could you let us have the information requested in the forum sticky please? That will help us to advise you.

 

 

Am I right in thinking the company you paid money to has been dissolved now?

 

HB

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so you got scammed by the parking fines twaddle...yep they did a runner on lots of people cause the site was a load of....one point being these are not fines...:pound:

 

 

can you do the Q&A in post 2 please 

 

and we need the DATE of the letter of claim too

 

dx

 

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I cant find the original letters from future parking with photos i have searched everywhere, The letter form Gladstones is dated 11/8/21 there is a pcn number the date of the charge was 14/05/20 and the current charge amount is now £170.00

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21 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

Hi.

 

Could you let us have the information requested in the forum sticky please? That will help us to advise you.

 

 

Am I right in thinking the company you paid money to has been dissolved now?

 

HB

please do this link as best you can.

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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1 Date of the infringement 14/08/2020
 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date]  cant find letters but i think it was 
 

3 Date received as above

 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] i think it did
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? a photo of car entering the car park
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] yes through a defunked internet site
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N/A
 

7 Who is the parking company? Future parking ltd

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] the funfair bridge street Stourport on Severn Worcestershire
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. Dont remember
 

 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Future/Gladstones ANPR PCN PAPLOC - funfair bridge st Stourport on Severn Worcs

you need to reply with a snotty letter

use our enhanced google search box

 

snotty letter gladstones

 

pop your ideas up here 1st

you must reply by 30days.

 

dx

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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 I took my wife out during lockdown as she had to self isolate (CKD)and was REALLY depressed i hoped to cheer her up a bit. The only reason i went in to that car park was because was feeling ill, and needed to recover i didnt notice any signs as i was more concerned about my wife once she felt a little better we went back home. Should i mention this in the letter

i will check out snotty letter thanks 

 

drew

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no !! they dont care and neither would a judge

you give nothing away at all ever 

 

have your read a few of our snotty letters yet?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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How's this I will send it by recorded delivery

 

having recieved your (Letter before claim) letter, I dispute that I owe what you claim, I am sure parking fees are not £100 + £70 for recovery, can you explain how this figure is reached or is it picked at random I am prepared to fight this claim vigorously if this is taken further

 

 

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Hi.

 

That isn't what we call a snotty letter, it's far too polite, You need to do a search within CAG.

 

You certainly don't want to be asking questions because that could start letter tennis and that isn't a good thing.

 

HB

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use the search i suggested please.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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To whom it concerns, I have recieved letter dated the 11th August 2021  

You state that this is a letter before claim
the amount due £70 which you state is predetermined and an nominal amount for losses £100 nominal is a joke, losses for what empty spaces
all car parks during this period had parking charges supended as your clients car park was next to the council run which at this time had FREE PARKING displayed one i assumed that it was all council car parking space as there is no actual division or gates between car parks 
 
 I deny that any monies are owed by myself. The same applies to the over inflated amount of the claim, 

 

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something like..

 

be generic , mention nothing about your specific speculative invoice situation. don't tip them off!

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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    Dear Mr Gladstone or To whom it  may concern, 

    I have recieved a letter dated the 11th August 2021 from you 

    You state that this is a letter before claim.
 
    The amount due £70 which you state is predetermined and an nominal amount for losses is a £100 nominal, surly you jest, what are the losses for, the only losses are your profit margins during the lock       down period. 

     I deny that any monies are owed by myself. The same applies to the over inflated amount so called claim, and i will fight this hammer and tong.

 

is this any good

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OK, we'll give you a hand.

 

First - what do the fleecers reckon you did wrong in the car park?  Did you overstay?  Not pay?  Etc.

We could do with some help from you.

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Needs to be harsher

 

Now as FTM Dave asks what is it alleged you did wrong, overstay? not pay? oyjer T & C breach, that will help frame what is needed

 

Also have you identified yourself as the driver to the fleecers, this is important in what advice will follow.

We could do with some help from you.

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The bailiff: A 12th Century solution re-branded as Enforcement Agents for the 21st Century to seize and sell debtors goods as before Oh so Dickensian!

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So no pay in a pay parlking area?  Have you taken any pictures of the site if you can do do so ASAP especially the sign at the entrance.

 

We could do with some help from you.

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Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group

 

If you want advice on your thread please PM me a link to your thread

 

The bailiff: A 12th Century solution re-branded as Enforcement Agents for the 21st Century to seize and sell debtors goods as before Oh so Dickensian!

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i havent been that way since i will see if i can this weekend or sooner if i can i dont go that way too often

at the time i was more concerned with my wife being ill so i just pulled in 

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