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That's good, I would also make an offline copy for extra security.

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My first threat came through yesterday. 

 

So funny, they will be writing to my employers to deduct the amount from my earnings! 

 

I expect more similar threats but from a different company name after this.  

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'they' cant do any of that.

'they' would have to ask the judge tooo...

and thats only if you lose any ccj hearing...

 

CEL  are masters at spoofing people, they have a very long history here and rarely succeed.

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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All dependent on them successfully gaining a CCJ, which is not a foregone conclusion by any means.

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Thanks guys! I am aware that CEL have no chance in gaining CCJ from me as I have paid my ticket which they have accepted on the day. Contract agreed and payment accepted. 

 

Not going to waste any energy or time on these threats. Will just put it to the side when it comes but I will keep on eye on the 'Letter before claim' as I know I will need to respond to that. 

 

I will post the threats as it comes so others can see CEL's procedures when threatening drivers to pay up and increasing their invoice each time. 

 

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When it comes to snotty letter time you can have some fun with them

 

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Happy New Year everyone. 

 

Another threat came through which I will of course ignore. - see attached.

 

I noticed they are still trying to charge the same amount as last time and not increased their fees even though they gave me 14days to pay it back in October. 

 

They don't seem to be keeping on top with their charges!

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I suppose you can now expect to get several letters from an unregulated debt collector. they usually send out one or two requests fro payment then they start sending you demands headed Final Demand.  You'll probably get three of those. I think they were off school the day English comprehension was on the curriculum. 

 

Absolutely nothing to worry about from them. Just ignore them they are not worth even a second class stamp. Totally ineffectual unless you have a cat as I understand that it fits quite well into the kitty litter tray. 

 

Eventually you might get a Letter of Claim from  CEL or  some muppets who call themselves solicitors. 😄  Let us know and you can send them a rude letter which may get them to look elsewhere for a mug as it'e obvious that you aren't one.

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Another threat that came through the post this week.

 

This time it is from the Balliffs. 

 

At the bottom of the letter it says 'This case is not subject to High Court or Balliffs actions'. Although the letter is from the Balliffs themselves. It is just another threat like previous letters but from a different company! I just can't take these guys seriously as they don't follow through. 

 

Cannot wait to receive the 'Letter of Claim' so I can tell them to P**** off! 

 

Will keep everyone posted and thank you for your support.

I have all the documents saved onto iCloud and kept hard copies filed away. 

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They are operating as a dca.

 

Dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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They are the CH 5 Can't pay mob bus as acting as a DCA, they are the " Can't do Diddly" mob.

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Usual guff, noticde the misapplication of Beavis in the second part. That case applies strictly on its  own facts and is not a blanket Precedent to justify diddly.

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Annabooo at the moment your PCN dated 26th May is not PoFA compliant but that may be because the required wording is on the back of the PCN. Could you please therefore repost the whole of both pages from the Notice to Keeper. 

 

Moving on the second point which is about the signage. ABC parking look as if they are in charge there but enforcement is by CEL.  Could you please write to the DVLA and ask about ABC parking.

 

Ask the DVLA if they know that ABC have signage in the car park with no BPA nor IPC logos on the signs probably because they do not appear to be members of either. Does the DVLA know that ABC parking Ltd. no longer appear to be in business. Nor do they appear to be registered  with the ICO under GDPR regulations.

 

In which case should they be showing their signs in the car park? And does CEL have the right to use ABC signage to enforce their PCNs? And does the contract with the land owners allow a third party involvement? And confirm that it was ABC that applied for the data since it was their signage on site.

In the BPA Code of Conduct they say that their members should exhibit the BPA logo on their  signs. CEL do not even have any signs in the car park let alone any with a BPA logo. Therefore as  they are in breach of the BPA CoP  ask the DVLA if that means that CEL  have  obtained your data unlawfully.

 

Email all those questions to the DVLA         [email protected]

 

 

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Thanks lookinforinto! 

 

Please see attached the NTK front and back as requested. 

 

I will email DVLA now and ask about the ABC signages which doesn't appear to have BPA nor IPC logos on their signs and see what will be confirmed. 

 

This is getting more interesting..... 

 

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Thank you for posting the PCN front and back.

 

THe NTK is not compliant for two reasons.

The wording on the back of the notice is almost right but not enough to make it compliant.

 

this is what PoFA states should be said   (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) .

 

This is what CEL put it "is subject to the applicable conditions in that Schedule" which is almost meaningless.

They are practically saying that there are certain conditions that are demanded in Schedule 4 but they haven't admitted to abiding by them. And they do have to admit that in s9 [2][f].

 

They are supposed to state the period of parking within which the breach occurred. Instead they have quoted the time of arrival at the car park and the time of leaving. As the new CoP remarks, those times are not the times of parking since drivers have to find a place to park and then on leaving may take several minutes to actually leave the car park.

 

The parking crooks may say that the new CoP has not yet come into force. But the Government have said that those parts of the new Act that can be brought into force straight away should be. In any event it was always Parliaments intention that there was a distinction between a period of parking and the arrival and leaving of the car park as the original draft of PoFA included the period of parking. It is the parking companies who have usurped that intention by their greed in trying to squeeze out every last minute of time for their own financial benefit. 

 

For instance they include entering the car park as part of their grace period when drivers cannot read the T&Cs on a notice when trying to park a car at the same time.

 

Also when writing to the DVLA please ask them all the questions I posed in my previous post to you.

 

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Thank you so much lookinforinfo! 

 

I did try to find out if the grace period can start at the beginning but I was told grace period only applies when you leave the car park. 

 

I have emailed DVLA and have asked them all the questions you have posted. Will see what they will come back to me with. 

 

I still feel confident about my case as I have my paid ticket which they have accepted on the day. Contract agreed and accepted. Can't turn around and fine me a month later and not even offer me a refund on my ticket. 

 

I will keep everyone posted. 

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total rubbish. 

grace period is a minimum of 10 mins there is no max stated and it always applies.

 

who told you that BS...

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Oh really... it was from a parking fine Facebook group.

 

I didn't find them helpful at all because some comments said 10mins to pay for parking is generous and made me feel that I couldn't challenge the fine. I said most places allow us to pay for the parking when we leave. 

 

So in my case, I can also argue about the grace period too since payment went through and over by 4mins because their system was crap. But does the pay within 10mins they have claimed on their signs is part of the grace period? 

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Grace period can be any length usually at least 10 minutes in case you cannot park or don't stay there for whatever reason as to the FaceBork group, a Private Parking Invoice is never and can never be a FINE.

 

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I have unfollowed that group. Waste of my energy and time reading their posts. So glad I have found this forum though. Thanks guys!

 

I have received a response back from DVLA and they require additional information: 

 

'In order to look into this matter for you I require some additional information - vehicle VRN, Make and Model, a copy of the PCN and any other correspondence you have received.' 

 

I don't understand why they need all my information and correspondence between me and CEL? All they need is just to confirm if CEL have the rights to use ABC signages to enforce their PCN? 

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no the dvla is nothing to do with signs nor enforcement.

they might well want the info to decide if CEL have not created the right legal arguments to request the info from DVLA.

 

like many others in the past, the DVLA might well be looking to ban them from the £2.50 service for abuse.

 

give them the info help everyone

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Okay, I have submitted the correspondence to DVLA. 

 

I do hope CEL gets banned!

 

Will see what DVLA says. 

 

I will keep everyone posted. 

 

Thanks again!

 

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