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Hi,

 

last year a company called FTR Ltd contacted me and advised i was possibly due a tax rebate. I agreed to let them check, they came back to me a couple of weeks later and said I was due a rebate for the sum of £2626 which they would pay into my bank.

 

I received a letter from Hmrc a couple of weeks ago requesting a sum of £7800 or send proof of the enterprise scheme I had invested in. I’d never heard of an enterprise scheme or had this amount of money. A self assessment has been done in my name which I was never told about and would never of agreed to.  

 

I was also never told about any investment scheme. I have reported this to action fraud, emailed HMRC with a crime reference number and asked them for a SAR and to put this on hold until it’s looked into as this company had scammed me. I’ve not heard anything back yet apart from that they are looking into it. The deadline was 7th aug,

 

I’m getting a little worried as I’ve not heard anything back. I’m not sure what to do next or how to try resolve this as the company that have made the fraudulent claim in my name are now where to be found. Any help with this would be much appreciated.

 

Thank you

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  • honeybee13 changed the title to HMRC asking for rebate back - Fast Tax Rebates Ltd scam

Hello, welcome to CAG.

 

I'm very sorry to hear that you've come into contact with this firm. We have other threads about them and the same thing seems to have happened to you, sadly. You've done the right thing by telling Action Fraud and sending the SAR. I don't know about the deadline, but site team member @slick132is great on HMRC matters - I expect they'll be around later.

 

If FTR Ltd followed the same MO as with our other members, they asked you for access to your online Government Gateway account and then the code that HMRC sent you in the post? Please have a read of the other threads here. Nobody has reached a conclusion so far, but you'll understand a bit more about what's happened.

 

Best, HB

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

Hello, welcome to CAG.

 

I'm very sorry to hear that you've come into contact with this firm. We have other threads about them and the same thing seems to have happened to you, sadly. You've done the right thing by telling Action Fraud and sending the SAR. I don't know about the deadline, but site team member @slick132is great on HMRC matters - I expect they'll be around later.

 

If FTR Ltd followed the same MO as with our other members, they asked you for access to your online Government Gateway account and then the code that HMRC sent you in the post? Please have a read of the other threads here. Nobody has reached a conclusion so far, but you'll understand a bit more about what's happened.

 

Best, HB

Hi, thanks for getting back to me so quick. Yes seems the same, I received a code from HMRC. I’ll have a read through the other threads. Thank you 

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Brad, are you able to access your self-assessment form on the HMRC website please? It doesn't help your cause at the moment, but dixon2094's tax record shows that the company FTR said he invested in was linked to Alan O'Hara who set up FTR Ltd.

 

I know that the EIS question is on page Ai 2 of a tax return but I'm not sure where the company name is shown. Maybe @dixon2094 could tell us where they found the information on their online return.

 

As you may have read, there's no public list of companies that are allowed to run an EIS so you can't check, but it's very disappointing that HMRC may not be checking.

 

But if you could tell us which company FTR put on your tax returns, it could come in useful later on.

 

Did you change your password after you got the rebate? If you didn't, once you've tried to find the information for us, I think it's worth doing that.

 

HB

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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Hi @honeybee13 I don’t know, I’ve never tried to, I’ve never received any details for the self assessment, I didn’t even know one had been opened until last month. I’ll check the paperwork I received from HMRC last month. If it’s not do I request this from HMRC? I’ve never done a self assessment so not sure what to do or where to go for it?

 

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What FTR normally did was to ask for P60s and access to your online account, then they submitted what suited them. Does this sound familiar?

 

Have you ever used your online tax account? And do you have any paperwork for what happened?

 

HB

 

 

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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Well, I think it's worth trying to access your government gateway account for your own peace of mind in the future. You don't want anyone connected with FTR accessing your tax records again, which I think they could because you gave them the code.

 

Did you give them your P60s?

 

ETA: link about online tax accounts.

 

WWW.GOV.UK

Sign in to or set up a personal tax account to check and manage HMRC records: includes Income Tax, change of...

 

HB

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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Ok I’ll do that thank you. Yes I gave it them, ive emailed HMRC as well to take any 3rd party off my account. I don’t even know how to access my tax records? Do you think it’s worth ringing HMRC? I’ve never done or been through anything like this. It’s really worrying me. 
 

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Hi Brad,

 

Good to see you've signed up here on CAG - if you know others who've been scammed by FTR, get them to do the same. Strength in numbers ! 

 

See what comes back in response to the SAR - that may tell you what EIS was claimed for.

 

I'm sure your're already aware of the other 4 cases running here (Dixon, Alvin, Schipoo & Sleigh) but please read through each of them to see what's going on so far.

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Hi Slick, 

 

I will read through them, thanks for getting back to me. 
 

I’ve chased an update from HMRC they just said they are looking into. I’ll go through the others as you suggested.

 

thanks 

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Hi,

 

I received a letter today from HMRC saying they don’t accept my appeal, even though I didn’t receive all the money I still allowed the company to do it.

 

The last email I received from HMRC was that the self assessment account had been closed and a no payment trigger set.

 

I asked for a SAR twice which I never received,

 

I have 30 days to appeal the decision either with another member of HMRC or go to tribunal.

 

Can anyone advise on what I should do next?

 

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Hi Brad,

 

Read through the threads for Dixon and for Schipoo as they're both ahead of your case.

 

You should find good pointers in the threads but ask here if you're still unsure of what to do next.

 

Do you have copies all all exchanges (texts or emails) between you and FTR ?

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Hi, mines being appealed and is with someone at HMRC who wasn’t involved in the case. They said i should hear back by the end of this month. I requested certificates etc for the eis scheme they paid out on. I’ll let you know when they get back to me. 

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Thanks Brad,

 

Are you chasing the police to get them more involved. This could be vital in getting HMRC to take better notice of this EIS scam.

 

Please read the threads of Dixon and Schipoo as they've been active and show good examples of dealing with HMRC.

 

 

 

 

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Hi brad,

 

Further to our exchange on the general thread, please give a more detailed update about what contact you've had with HMRC and tell us if it's their Legal Team, or others.

 

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Hi, I had a response saying basically I owed the full amount although I’m saying it was a scam I still give all my details for them to do this so the full debt is for me to pay.

 

I could appeal it through another HMRC agent who isn’t involved in the case and can go to tribunal if I wish. I replied asking for the DSAR which I’d requested months ago and asked for another HMRC agent to look over it.

 

Since then I’ve had the DSAR posted (4 months after I requested it) and a letter off the agent who is now looking into it. It states I will have an update at the end of this month. I’ve also asked for certificates that was used for this EIS scheme as I’m presuming there was nothing provided for this payment to be made.

 

The feedback I got from the letter before I appealed it was, it’s my fault for giving the information out so wasn’t very helpful or reassuring to be honest. They basically said I should of rang and checked that what they was doing was correct to which my response was I had no reason to believe it wasn’t correct.

 

The only reason I knew I had been scammed was when I received the letter from HMRC. I’m waiting for another letter which will no doubt be the same response saying the full debt will be for me to pay 😒

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Thanks Brad,

 

I've added spacing to your post above - big blocks of text are far harder to read.

 

You need to lodge a formal appeal against the tax assessments - there are examples of this on the threads of Dixon and Schipoo. Use these to prepare the appeals and post here as a draft first, for us to check over.

 

Also follow the same advice as on those threads- visit the police to report the event as a crime and give them all the info you have about FTR and the eople involved.

 

Don't let the police just fob you off. 

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Hi,

 

I’ve received an email today, HMRC have tried to get my case struck out. The tribunal have requested a hearing via video link. Any advice to help me with this?

 

 

 

HMRC have applied to have your appeal struck out, copy enclosed, on the basis, they argue that the grounds of appeal which you have raised are not matters which the Tribunal can consider and that you have no reasonable prospect of success.

 

We will therefore arrange a hearing before a judge to consider HMRC’s application to strike out the appeal and your response.  We expect to conduct the hearing by video, or if that is not possible we will arrange a face to face hearing in the Tribunal Centre in Manchester.  Information about video hearings and a short demonstration hearing can be viewed via: https://www.gov.uk/tax-tribunal/if-you-have-a-hearing 

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Hi Brad,

 

Yes, always post on your own thread - we'll see your post and it avoids hijacking other threads.

 

You have good examples of HMRC seeking to have tax appeals Struck Out on Schipoo's and Dixon's threads. They include content and format.

 

You need to go through each thread carefully and adapt what you find to properly reflect your own case and circumstances.

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Hi,

 

apologies, i thoughts I’d gone onto mine. Sorry.

 

I’ll have a look through them all and get something together, is it a good sign that they haven’t just struck it out? Or is this normal procedure?

 

thank you 

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