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I see no need to.

 

They say, " Unless I hear to the contrary, I will assume that you have no objection to the review period being extended so that it expires on 10 January 2022.

 

By 10th Jan 2022, we will have a good idea of how this is all going.

 

Just watch out for that deadline and shout here if we get to within 14 days of it.

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pers i'd let HMRC find those out for themselves......but i'lll 1000% bet they already know and 1001 more things too... but they dont want to spook the scammerds to much...

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi Schipoo,

 

This review process is not the right arena to disclose info to HMRC about FTR, their scheme or their Director.

 

I understand your frustration but now is not the time to try and pass on that information.

 

If you want to make progress, can you get back to the police and ask what is being done to investigate FTR and their fraudulent activity. Report back here please ..............

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Question.  In regard to investigatory powers of HMRC, what triggers these in regard to the issue of this thread ?  

 

Or will HMRC only be involved, if the alleged crimes are reported to Police and the Police will pass on any information to the relevant team at HMRC ?

 

 

 

 

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I spoke to Northumbria police regarding the info that was mentioned in a comment on another thread and they have said that is not one of their reference numbers and they do not investigate tax fraud. I was directed to Action Fraud which I called, who told me they could not discuss with me any connections between my case and others that may potentially be linked. I was told I would be contacted in due course….

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5 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

Question.  In regard to investigatory powers of HMRC, what triggers these in regard to the issue of this thread ?  

 

Or will HMRC only be involved, if the alleged crimes are reported to Police and the Police will pass on any information to the relevant team at HMRC ?

 

 

 

 

Initially, HMRC will be interested only in checking the EIS relief given and recouping any tax wrongly refunded. As far as HMRC were concerned, the tax refunds were claimed by, and repaid to, the individuals.

 

Once they are aware of the scale of the fraud by FTR, I hope HMRC will be unable to ignore the fact that this is fraud attack on HMRC using the tax accounts of the individuals.

 

I believe it is down to the individuals to press the Police to recognise this matter as a serious fraud that just happens to involve tax. I don't see it as a "tax fraud" as described by Police in Schipoo's post above.

 

 

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Hi Schipoo,

 

I suggest you go back to your local Police and tell them :-

 

1. This is fraud and must be properly investigated.

 

2. If they insist again that you go to Action Fraud (who have already said they'll do nothing that helps you), tell the Police you want contact details for their Cheif Constable so you can file a written complaint.

 

We've seen Police reluctance here before about taking cases seriously and investigating properly. You have to stand up for yourself and insist that they act.

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I suppose it's possible that the police don't understand what's gone on.

 

When dixon first signed up here, it took us a few posts to get to grips with the detail, the fact that FTR weren't 'agents' like many tax advisers are, with no proper contract and that they weren't regulated by anyone.

 

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I may have misunderstood some information, but I thought FTR had been recognised by HMRC for them to be able to submit EIS related tax rebate claims.

 

If this is correct, surely FTR must have some registration with an appropriate professional body ?

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As far as I can see, anyone can set themselves up as a tax consultant and you don't need any professional qualifications.

 

The EIS thing isn't clear to me. From memory, there is a list of authorised EIS schemes but HMRC won't release it.

 

Also, no money changed hands, it was a ruse by FTR to make money. I can't imagine Cryoblast/Cryoblast Solutions planned to issue any certificates to 'investors'.

 

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My concern is that if I don’t submit anything new the review will come back with the same response as my caseworker. 
I will go back to the police and do all I can but until others start making noises with the relevant people I’m going to be ignored..

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Hi Schipoo,

 

I understand your concern but the deadline is a long way off and I hope, by then, progress will have been made.

 

You may have to be persistent with the police but stick with it.

 

What police authority do you live in ?

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3 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

I may have misunderstood some information, but I thought FTR had been recognised by HMRC for them to be able to submit EIS related tax rebate claims.

 

If this is correct, surely FTR must have some registration with an appropriate professional body ?

I doubt this is the case as the EIS relief was claimed by FTR using each taxpayer's Gov Gateway tax account but HMRC had no idea at the time that the claim was filed by FTR and not the individual taxpayer.

 

Acting in this manner, FTR had no need to be registered with or recognised by HMRC or a professional body - they were not acting as a tax agent.

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19 minutes ago, slick132 said:

Hi Schipoo,

 

I understand your concern but the deadline is a long way off and I hope, by then, progress will have been made.

 

You may have to be persistent with the police but stick with it.

 

What police authority do you live in ?

Lancashire 

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Ok, get onto them as per my post #89 above, made 12 hours back.

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  • 4 weeks later...

and someone is in the Bahamas laughing their socks off with a few £100k they got from all they scammed.....

 

dx 

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These people conducting the EIS scams are probably very aware of all of the legislation that applies and will be aware that the clients they have assisted will owe HMRC the full amounts.

 

It stinks and in my opinion HMRC will allow it to go to Tribunal and argue for years to come, that they have correctly applied the law.  And Treasury ministers are unlikely to offer any assistance.

 

 

 

 

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Hi Schipoo,

 

You have 30 days to submit further objections - make sure this does not catch us out and come back to remind us 7 days before the deadline.

 

What progress have you made in contacting the police ?

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I'm sorry about the reply you've had, Schipoo. To my mind, HMRC aren't covering themselves in glory over this.

 

As Slick says, contacting the police and your MP [as Dixon did] is something you can do about this right now.

 

HB

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I have done everything I can, they are hanging on to the fact that I gave Maxwells access to my gateway account and told hmrc I was opening up the previous tax years to file a rebate for expenses. Not that Maxwells then submitted something completely different which I’d need to give hmrc proof of with me not having a clue what EIS is!

ive sent the MP a copy of the response asking for urgent help. 
The police aren’t really interested, just telling me to go to action fraud which I have already done 

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