HMRC seek repayment after Fast Tax Rebates Ltd take most of rebate

[slick132]

Hi Schipoo,

 

Can you please carefully double check each copy return, look for Reliefs or Allowances and confirm :-

 

1. Is there any mention of an EIS claim or a company you "invested in".

 

2. Check under s.21 - Additional Information.

 

3. Is there anything mentioned about an Agent completing the return.

[Schipoo]

It says on each return ‘subscriptions for shares under the enterprise investment scheme’

£20000

£22000

£24000

it does say in other information ’other tax reliefs and deductions 2 -more information about your subscriptions under the enterprise investment scheme cryoblast’

 

Doesn’t mention FTR Limited. However there is a cryoblast solutions ltd on companies house and surprise who’s the director Alan Francis Ohara!

[honeybee13]

Yes, you're right about Cryoblast Solutions Ltd. That was on Dixon's tax return as well.

 

HB

[Schipoo]

So I chased the local MP the other day and his assistant got back to me 

 

Please allow me to sincerely apologise for not getting back to you sooner – I have been on leave since last week.

 

I know your correspondence has been passed to my colleague who was liaising with P to establish what the best course of action would be to take. I believe something has been sent to HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC), although there was a slight delay in sending something over on our part due to the high volume of correspondence the office has been receiving lately.

 

The email was a polite request asking them to hold any action being taken to recover the monies owed until we receive advice from the FOS as to whether it would fall in their remit to investigate, as HMRC would not be responsible for investigating the misleading service provided to you by the accountancy service.

 

I will discuss this with my colleague further when he is in the office on Monday and, hopefully, will be able to give you a clearer update on any action taken.

 

Thank you for your patience and apologies again for the delay in replying.

 

[unclebulgaria67]

Surely what you are wanting is for the MP to raise the issue with The Treasury asking questions about the actions being taken by HMRC.  They should be able to gain a response setting out the policies in place for dealing with the issue you are facing. 

 

  The MP also has access to the House of Commons library, so they can research what information may be available regarding the EIS tax rebate schemes.

 

Appears the approach being taken is to avoid getting involved too much.They are simply looking at providing information on who you should contact.

 

 

[Schipoo]

So, having a look online Easy Tax Claims Ltd even have a website asking the question ‘do

you want to claim 33% of your tax back’ 

This is the same company that has Anthony McNabb as a director and has Alan O’Hara as a resigned director. How are they getting away with actually advertising their business on the internet whilst I am fighting with HMRC over paying back what FTR took? 

[honeybee13]

I know.   Last time I looked at the website, it had stopped mentioning EIS schemes, did you see that at all?

 

It isn't clear what Mr McNabb's involvement is. Did you have any contact with him?

 

HB

[Schipoo]

No, it’s the first time I’ve seen the website today. I’m guessing he has just as much involvement in the scam as the others.  

[honeybee13]

I'm pretty sure I posted it on someone else's thread, possibly Dixon's. It's worth reading the other threads about FTR and keeping up with what other people are doing.

 

HB

 

[slick132]

Hi Schipoo,

 

Your best chance of getting HMRC to rethink their position or attitude is to get others who have been affected to sign up here so we have more cases to show as being similar in nature.

 

If you know any others, get them on board quickly. We're invloving other bodies who may have influence in such matters.

[Schipoo]

Hi all, just a quick update….the MP came back to me and said that HMRC had acknowledged their request to suspend any collection of tax whilst they get a response from FOS. 
 

I have had an email regarding my review which is below. It states they haven’t been able to get hold of me on the phone which is rubbish, I’ve had no call at all. 
Also, it says it’s extending the period from 45 days to January 2022, is that normal?

Review Letter.pdf

[unclebulgaria67]

Standard letter which they can only add minimum information to.  So the bit about the phone call is standard text and they did not bother to remove it.

 

Where you are appealing and getting MP's involved, I should imagine postponing for 3/4 months is sensible.  Will allow time for the complaint to be looked into.

[slick132]

Hi Schipoo,

 

Dixon had a reply from the same office saying their appeal was being challenged so your case being postponed for 3 to 4 months is fine for now.

 

Keep us updated and watch the joint thread here - 

 

[Schipoo]

Hi @slick132

 

Should I not reply? 

[slick132]

I see no need to.

 

They say, " Unless I hear to the contrary, I will assume that you have no objection to the review period being extended so that it expires on 10 January 2022.

 

By 10th Jan 2022, we will have a good idea of how this is all going.

 

Just watch out for that deadline and shout here if we get to within 14 days of it.

[Schipoo]

But it’s my opportunity to put forward what I’ve found out since, eg the link between FTR and the company I supposedly invested in 

[dx100uk]

pers i'd let HMRC find those out for themselves......but i'lll 1000% bet they already know and 1001 more things too... but they dont want to spook the scammerds to much...

[slick132]

Hi Schipoo,

 

This review process is not the right arena to disclose info to HMRC about FTR, their scheme or their Director.

 

I understand your frustration but now is not the time to try and pass on that information.

 

If you want to make progress, can you get back to the police and ask what is being done to investigate FTR and their fraudulent activity. Report back here please ..............

[unclebulgaria67]

Question.  In regard to investigatory powers of HMRC, what triggers these in regard to the issue of this thread ?  

 

Or will HMRC only be involved, if the alleged crimes are reported to Police and the Police will pass on any information to the relevant team at HMRC ?

 

 

 

 

[Schipoo]

I spoke to Northumbria police regarding the info that was mentioned in a comment on another thread and they have said that is not one of their reference numbers and they do not investigate tax fraud. I was directed to Action Fraud which I called, who told me they could not discuss with me any connections between my case and others that may potentially be linked. I was told I would be contacted in due course….

[honeybee13]

Well done, Schipoo, thank you for the update.

 

Someone certainly ought to be investigating FTR. Maybe Slick or his contact know how this works.

 

HB

[slick132]

5 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

Question.  In regard to investigatory powers of HMRC, what triggers these in regard to the issue of this thread ?  

 

Or will HMRC only be involved, if the alleged crimes are reported to Police and the Police will pass on any information to the relevant team at HMRC ?

 

 

 

 

Initially, HMRC will be interested only in checking the EIS relief given and recouping any tax wrongly refunded. As far as HMRC were concerned, the tax refunds were claimed by, and repaid to, the individuals.

 

Once they are aware of the scale of the fraud by FTR, I hope HMRC will be unable to ignore the fact that this is fraud attack on HMRC using the tax accounts of the individuals.

 

I believe it is down to the individuals to press the Police to recognise this matter as a serious fraud that just happens to involve tax. I don't see it as a "tax fraud" as described by Police in Schipoo's post above.

 

 

[slick132]

Hi Schipoo,

 

I suggest you go back to your local Police and tell them :-

 

1. This is fraud and must be properly investigated.

 

2. If they insist again that you go to Action Fraud (who have already said they'll do nothing that helps you), tell the Police you want contact details for their Cheif Constable so you can file a written complaint.

 

We've seen Police reluctance here before about taking cases seriously and investigating properly. You have to stand up for yourself and insist that they act.

[honeybee13]

I suppose it's possible that the police don't understand what's gone on.

 

When dixon first signed up here, it took us a few posts to get to grips with the detail, the fact that FTR weren't 'agents' like many tax advisers are, with no proper contract and that they weren't regulated by anyone.

 

HB

[unclebulgaria67]

I may have misunderstood some information, but I thought FTR had been recognised by HMRC for them to be able to submit EIS related tax rebate claims.

 

If this is correct, surely FTR must have some registration with an appropriate professional body ?