UKCPM PCN - Heritage Walk, Brentford - Parking Charge Notice

[maclarke]

Hello all,

I borrowed a family member's car to attend a flat viewing.

 

The viewing was at 17:00 on Thurs 17th June 2021(I have email to confirm this)

 

I was a little early as was the estate agent. 

I initially couldn't have been longer than 20-25 minutes before returning to the car and waiting, as the estate agent had to return to the office to obtain the correct key.

I waited in the car for a approximately 15 mins (after after the photos were taken) and then had the full viewing.

 

The land is in a private, gated development.

I received the attached PCN (Parking Charge Notice) today on Wed 23rd June 2021.

It's hard to work out, but the 2 photos were taken at 16:59:08 and 16:59:40. I believe the photo was taken by someone on foot/Moped - Please help!

 

1 Date of the infringement Thursday 17th June 2021 [17:23]
 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 19th June 2021

 

3 Date received Wednesday 23rd June 2021

 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? Yes
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes
 

6 Have you appealed?  No
 

Have you had a response? not applicable
 

7 Who is the parking company? UKCPM

 

8. Where exactly Heritage Walk, Brentford, London, TW8 0RN

 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. ISA
 

 

UKCPM PCN.pdf

[honeybee13]

Hi.

 

This sounds crazy, as you say.

 

Have you spoken to the estate agents to see if they can help?

 

HB

[maclarke]

Hi there... I haven’t contacted the estate agent yet.

 

I just wanted to cover myself with your help in the worse case scenario.

[dx100uk]

can we had page i of the NTK please not the back page?

 

this is a residential parking issue and the spy should have issued you a windscreen ticket and then an NTK 29-56 days later not 6 days.

 

so they have already broken POFA2012.

 

quite typical of UKPCM to pay a local to take pictures for a back hander.

 

 

[maclarke]

Apologies - I didn't compile my scans correctly - please see attached.UKCPM PCN.pdf

[dx100uk]

Def issued too early for a patrol operator capture

 

ignore everything until/unless you get a letter of claim.

 

Dx

[brassnecked]

As you were viewing a property you had legitimate reason, same as a delivery driver. presumably the Estae Agent had access through the gate.  As DX says igbore until they send a Letter Of Claim.

[maclarke]

Do you guys think that i'll have to go through the motions of "Claim letters" and Court dates?

 

Or is it likely they'll just forget it?

 

I hope not to go through this again.

 

[honeybee13]

Well, they're money-grabbing ex-clampers so it's unlikely they'll give up if they think they can get you to pay. Sadly.

 

HB

[brassnecked]

If thhe do try court get the Estate Agent involved, they might have even invoiced them.

[maclarke]

One point i haven't stressesd enough is that the car does not belong to me. Rather it belongs to my mother. Everything will be addressed to her and I don't want her to get involved in court.

Edited June 29, 2021 by maclarke

[dx100uk]

so the car is registered in her name on it's v5c??

 

dx

 

[maclarke]

Yes that’s correct. The car is registered to her on the v5c

[dx100uk]

well unless you dob yourself in as being the driver, then sadly she WILL have to got to court if they do (eventually after a letter of claim) request northants bulk start a claim.

[FTMDave]

I remembered your username immediately from the other thread - where you saw the fleecers off!

 

I noticed in post 1 that you mentioned a family member's car.  Well, it depends on your family situation.  Either your mum is up for a possible court battle.  Or else she sends a letter to the fleecers naming you as the driver, which removes her from the loop, but means you lose the slight protection of POFA (you'd still have Supremacy of Contract and anything else the conmen have messed up) and you take the fight ahead yourself.  

 

 

[brassnecked]

FTMDave's suggestion might be best if you want to keep her out of it, as the Supremacy of Contract will likely send the fleecer's back under their rock, having then sue her would likely complicate things more.

 

Recap time

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Get this in distribution where they invoice delivery drivers delivering to Residential parking controlled by a fleecer.   they usually don't get far as a quotation of Jopson v Homeguard [2016] B9GF0A9E showing that a delivery to an occupier is same as a postman, and is for the benefit of a Resident, usually sees them off on that head.

[lookinforinfo]

I'd hang fire on admitting who was driving until we know if the PCN complied with PoFA . If it doesn't then your Mother is not liable anyway so no point in you admitting it. Which brings me on to the PCN Notice to keeper. You only showed the back of the PCN, not the front that contains all the relevant PoFA bits. If you could kindly post that up it might take the weight off you both.

[dx100uk]

On 23/06/2021 at 20:07, maclarke said:

Apologies - I didn't compile my scans correctly - please see attached.UKCPM PCN.pdf

 

[FTMDave]

dx's post 4.  Definitely not POFA compliant.