HMRC asking me to repay Fast Tax Rebates Ltd scam rebate

[dixon2094]

They accepted and signed for my letters when I sent them, only a month ago... is that not an indication?

[Ethel Street]

3 minutes ago, dixon2094 said:

They accepted and signed for my letters when I sent them, only a month ago... is that not an indication?

 

Their registered office is just a brass plate business services company isn't it? There are hundreds of companies registered at that address, the people who take in letters don't work for any of them and aren't responsble for any of them. It's just a post box.

[honeybee13]

In terms of whether FTR are still trading, there's a website in that name but it's not clear what the company's address is. I think dixon posted a link early on in this thread. IIRC there's a phone number and an email.

 

HB

[Ethel Street]

Apparently their website per Post# 4 was www.fasttaxrebate.co.uk but that no longer functions. 

 

Their Registered Office address is a business services company called SME Centre of Excellence - a brass plate post box I imagine. More than 50 comapnies have the address as their Registered Office.

Business Support | Business Growth | Newcastle upon Tyne

WWW.SMECOFE.COM

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All the support you need to help your business start, survive and thrive. Access all your back office support through the SME Centre of Excellence.

 

[slick132]

Hi Dixon,

 

I said already (post #66) how to reply to HMRC about the lack of data in their SAR - get this sent to them now and confirm when it's done.

 

As far as the Default Judgement against FTR, follow the usual steps seeking payment from them, in writing.

 

Incidentally, what amount did you claim from FTR, the full amount that HMRC refunded to them, or just the amount they kept ?

[dixon2094]

Yeah, I saw that - is that being sent via post? Via email? There's no email address on the SAR letter they returned and only gives you a number, which I presume is the default HMRC one.

 

I requested only the amount FTR took. So, essentially, the full amount of my "EIS rebate", minus what I received.

 

Any advice on Action Fraud?

 

Action Fraud - I got a text saying:

 

"This is Lancashire Victim Services, an independent charity contacting you following a crime reported to the police. If you require free confidential help and support call 0300 323 0085 or reply Y to this message within 72 hours and well call you back. Visit www.lancashirevictimservices.org . See My Support Space (Victimsup.pt/LANCS) www.victimsupport.org.uk/yourdata"

 

Also - are there any other possible avenues to explore which could result in claiming the funds back from FTR, that aren't directly targeting the Ltd company, seeing as though it seems unlikely this will result in anything? Also, I'm aware if I lose Tribunal against HMRC, I'm gonna still have to pay it all, plus tribunal fees?

 

This could all end worse than if I just paid HMRC...

[slick132]

Same address as you used (or they replied from) for the SAR. Include your UTR tax ref. no.

 

Noted what you say about the CCJ against FTR being the amount they kept - proceed with demanding payment from them.

 

I doubt you will get any useful help from Lancs Victim Support but Perhaps contacting them is a way to draw more attention to the fact that FTR have scammed many people leaving you all in serious debt.

 

Was your Court Claim against FTR Ltd - if so, enforcement action may be limited against their assets alone. Please confirm.

[dixon2094]

Hi,

 

Ah I see, I'll get that letter drafted and post tomorrow to the address on HMRC's letter.

 

In relation to the MCOL, Judgment was entered into and i've now proceeded with a Warrant, via MCOL.

 

I'll speak to the Victim line and see what comes of it.

 

Yes, the MCOL is against Fast Tax Rebates Ltd.

Edited August 4, 2021 by dixon2094
Typo

[dx100uk]

You should have used High Court Enforcement as the judgement is greater than £600?

Court bailiffs are useless

[dx100uk]

On 23/07/2021 at 19:48, dx100uk said:

keep checking mcol status, once you see judgement 

go straight to an HCEO company, as long as the figure is above £600 dont mess with county court enforcement

 

[dixon2094]

Ah sorry, I must have missed this. Can I still go down this route anyway? Or not, if already instigated it through MCOL?

 

PS: do you have a link to HCEO where I can start this, if I can do so in relation to above.

[honeybee13]

We don't have links with HCEOs, we want to remain independent. This website should help you to find one.

 

Authorised Members Directory

WWW.HCEOA.ORG.UK

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Welcome to The High Court Enforcement Officers Association's Website

 

HB

 

[dx100uk]

You will have to wait the court bailiff outcome you cant cross court now too late..the sheriff s office are good weve used them numerous times

 

 

[dixon2094]

Okay no worries. Will keep you updated once I have an update.

[dixon2094]

Hi,

 

I have heard from HMRC in response to the Tribunal matter. From what I understand, they are asking the Tribunal to strike-off as they feel the case has no grounds, or something similar.

 

I have attached the full correspondence, but redacted personal names, reference numbers, etc.

 

Any advice you can give here would be appreciated.

 

I understand their response but just not sure on the best steps forward. I presume the tribunal now need to consider and then submit their reply/resolution?

 

I'm particularly interested in point 19:

 

The same is true of responsibility for his agents’ conduct. The extent to which HMRC should have relied upon the authority given to the agent, the extent to which parties other than the agent were involved and whether checks should have been made are all tax management or operational matters and again are beyond the question of entitlement to EIS relief or the calculation of the liability.

 

HMRC are saying whether or not they had valid checks in place to allow the claim to move forward is out of the Tribunal's jurisdiction (If I understand correctly). However, this is implying they didn't have sufficient checks in place - regardless of whether it's in the Tribunal's jurisdiction or not. Is there something here to perhaps pursue through an alternate route?

 

Just trying to understand my options now in relation to HMRC.

 

PS: the Warrant has been issued against FTR, but I've not heard anything since. I did receive a letter saying they'd keep me updated, but nothing yet.

 

Thanks,

HMRC Response.pdf

Edited September 1, 2021 by dixon2094
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[slick132]

Hi Dixon and thanks for the update.

 

We need time to consider your current position and how best to move forward, along with the other users affected by this EIS scam.

 

Please see this thread compiled for you and others to respond on with info we want - https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/439099-information-on-fast-tax-rebates-ltd-and-the-eis-scam/?do=findComment&comment=5125559

 

[slick132]

Hi Dixon,

 

I think the reply from HMRC's Solicitors Office and Legal Services is correct and they're within their rights to ask that your appeal is Struck Out. You'll get further confirmation on this in due course.

 

In the meantime, we need to see what further can be done to protect your position. IMHO, the only option is to work with the other FTR Victims and complain to the police that they are failing to investigate FTR, O'Hara and his scheme.

 

We're also working on another approach and, in this connection, I'll be asking on the common FTR thread (linked in last post above) that you and the others supply some more detail about how you became involved with FTR and how they came to file the EIS claims on your behalf.

 

Don't go into further detail just yet please - wait for a further post on the common thread, thanks.

[slick132]

Hi Dixon,

 

I discussed the HMRC response with someone earlier and it may be worth challenging it, on the basis that FTR acted without proper authority and without your knowledge of what they claimed.

 

FTR acted very much for their own benefit using your personal data (UTR and NI No.) to fraudulently claim tax relief they knew you were not entitled to.

 

I'm still not clear if they really acted as an authorised tax agent, or they used your personal data to file the return as if you personally filed the tax returns but nominated themselves to receive the refunds.

 

Remind me, have you had a full SAR reply from them yet or did you challenge the SAR and seek further data ?

[slick132]

Please come back with an answer to my Q in the last paragraph above.

 

Thanks

[dixon2094]

Hi Slick,

 

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I discussed the HMRC response with someone earlier and it may be worth challenging it, on the basis that FTR acted without proper authority and without your knowledge of what they claimed. FTR acted very much for their own benefit using your personal data (UTR and NI No.) to fraudulently claim tax relief they knew you were not entitled to.

 

Do I need to respond to the Tribunal now and say this? Be aware, anything sent to them, needs to be copied to HMRC. Or am I best waiting to hear the Tribunal's decision and then challenge it if it's not a positive response?

 

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Remind me, have you had a full SAR reply from them yet or did you challenge the SAR and seek further data ?

 

I did not send the follow up SAR.

 

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In the meantime, we need to see what further can be done to protect your position. IMHO, the only option is to work with the other FTR Victims and complain to the police that they are failing to investigate FTR, O'Hara and his scheme.

 

Okay great - would love to be able to do something like this.

 

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Don't go into further detail just yet please - wait for a further post on the common thread, thanks.

 

So I don't need to post anything on there for now? How do I set up alerts so I know when I need to reply/there has been a new comment for me to reply to?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

 

[dixon2094]

Hi - I have just completed the initial questions on that thread.

 

It may be worthwhile checking my answer to question 8, as it may be very useful to know?

 

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/439099-information-on-fast-tax-rebates-ltd-and-the-eis-scam/?do=findComment&comment=5129037

 

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8.      Were you told anything about investing in an EIS.

No. The first I have ever even heard about EIS is when HMRC sent their letter.

HOWEVER, I have just checked my text log with them, and they did mention something about an investment. The reason being, I had gone onto my HMRC portal and saw the balance of the total "rebate". I worked out 30% of this and then asked FTR if that was the total I was to get. They said "no", and then replied with the attached message....

 

 

Text Screenshot.pdf

 

If you want me to send you the entire text thread I can do? I'll remove any personal info of course.

Edited September 7, 2021 by dixon2094
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[slick132]

Hi Dixon,

 

You should get an email alert every time someone posts here on your thread, or the other thread where you have posted.

 

The text msg you attached and your answers to the Q's posted to all FTR victims are, to my mind at least, very interesting.

 

They'll be shown to parties involved behind the scenes and will be used in our attempts to have these FTR cases reviewed.

 

I'll come back later with a suggested reply to the Tribunal Legal bod -  I want them to understand the manner in which FTR worked, using access to your personal HMRC account to defraud you and HMRC. The case may still be Struck Out but we can deal with that as necessary.

[dixon2094]

Okay great, thank you.

 

Again, if you’d like me to send the full email/text threads I’m happy to do so, either on here or private. Obviously redacting any personal info.

[dixon2094]

@honeybee13 and @slick132 would you like me to DM you my full email/text threads? I've put black marker over all personal info.

[slick132]

Hi Dixon,

 

Yes, send me the info by PM so I can review it.

 

Then I'll suggest a reply to HMRC's legal bod.