G24 pcn Sports Direct, Heathcote Rd, Longton, Stoke-on-Trent ST3 2NU .Not Paid, yet.

[princess roxy]

Thought this a strange reply, they don’t seem 100% sure themselves whether planning permission is required . This is from customer feedback team , not sure if it’s from the City council , or directly from the planning offices . Bad that you can’t get a straight answer one way or the other.

[princess roxy]

Ok ,have just received some information regarding planning permission for this car park .

 

There is no planning permission for cameras , poles or signage. Asked if the land can be used as a paying car park without this permission ,was told this is a civil matter , which I’m a bit unsure what this means. So not sure if this info helps.

 

No planning permission as none was applied for . I asked about use of the land as a paying car park , without planning permission . Was told that that would be a civil matter . Like I say , not sure what to make of this info.

[dx100uk]

eh? and the planning dept dont know that make the whole thing criminal and illegal....what an office junior!!

 

this should be excellent news for all the g24 victims here.

the knowledgeable ones will explain why soon

dx

 

[FTMDave]

Great news.  Well done on all your hard work.  Not having planning permission is a criminal offence, and it's not possible to form a contract if criminality is involved - which means you don't owe G24 a bean.  Which of course you already knew!  But this is a good extra string to your bow.

Edited October 25, 2021 by FTMDave
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[princess roxy]

After sending our snotty letter to G24 and bwlegal ,after we had a LBC ,we’ve had a reply from G24 . Bit of a strange one this. 

“As your appeal has been rejected ,any further correspondence may not receive a response. “

 

Goes onto say that I can still pay ,or if I do nothing they can recover the debt through debt recovery procedures.

 

Then goes onto say in the last paragraph 

“ The independent Appeals Service provides an alternative dispute resolution scheme for disputes of this type, we may engage with the IAS Non standard appeals service at our discretion should a dispute arise over this charge in future .”

 

Dont know what to make of it ,have we gone back to square one?
 

Edited October 30, 2021 by dx100uk
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[honeybee13]

I don't really understand where they're going with this, but the IAS is a waste of your energy and not worth engaging with.

 

HB

[Samtex]

I've had this many times via email when I tried to explain my situation to G24. 

It's a standard canned response they send out. I don't think anyone properly reads what you actually send to them.

It seems pretty automated to me. 

[princess roxy]

No Honeybee would never dream of going down the IAS route , would sooner go down the NC route and issue a few threats of court action myself . These crooks are still demanding money off people illegally.

[dx100uk]

unlawfully for now . though if they have no planning then as BN explains illegality enters into the mix.

 

the ias as you are aware is run by the two bods from gladstone sols will and john anyway so we know how fair they are. safe to ignore.

 

 

[FTMDave]

Radsey - what you've posted is nonsense, dx explained a lot better than I could.

 

Princess Roxy - this is excellent news.  G24 sent you formal notice of intention to commence legal action under the Pre-Action Protocol.  You told them to do their worst.  They then summoned their legal bods and went into full litigation mode and hit you hard with ...

 

... a silly standard letter.

 

They know they are on very thin ice with this car park and will do anything save actually really take someone to court.

 

Relax and ignore this latest tripe.  Yours is not the next move.

[lookinforinfo]

The same thing happenned to me several years ago. I sent them a stroppy letter calling them all the idiots under the sun etc etc. They wrote saying that they had received my appeal! It was no appeal, it was telling them how incompetent they were. I think I did include the word incompetent coming to think of it. Silly me . They cannot understand words of more than two syllables. I wrote back to them using one red crayon and one blue crayon using small words and pictures of birds flying in the air. They haven't replied to date. If there is a next time instead of birds I will use pigs but I will probably have to explain the significance of pigs might fly . At birth the poor dears missed out when it came to having intelligence included in their DNA.

I suggest that your letter confused them into thinking that this was an appeal from you - that gives you an idea of just how thick they are.

[princess roxy]

News on this car park . Customers can now get free parking for two hours . Pressure from customers and the local MP have resulted in a G24 changing their rules on parking charges.

[FTMDave]

Superb news.

 

Now why would they change the rules if the rules were perfectly fine to start with?

 

This makes it even less likely they will have the gonads to take you and the others here to court.

[dx100uk]

they cant change any rule that wasnt granted by the council in the 1st place....how nice if them...muppets,,,

[princess roxy]

Seems like the local MP wants to take full credit for the so called climb down by G24 .

[brassnecked]

Would be more of a credit if MP got them to drop all the hopeless court cases they started.  But MOP's like to justify their existence from time to time.

[princess roxy]

Seems that all has gone quiet from bwlegal and G24 , regarding threats of court action over their ludicrous scam called parking charge notices.

 

However just like to add that in November the city council registered a planning enforcement case against the landowners of the said car park , but have not yet received a response . Therefore the matter will be chased in the New Year and the landowners along with the appropriate retailers will be reminded of their responsibilities to address this urgent matter .

 

Does that mean that they could be in trouble over their lack of planning permission , and what about people who paid these charges ??? 

 

 

[lookinforinfo]

Sadly the people who have already paid will be very unlikely to get there money back unless they take G24 to Court. Even then it is uncertain that they would be reimbursed. It would depend on the decision taken by the Council; the reason for their breach of the T&Cs as well as the Judge lottery. 

 

I am surprised that it is the land owners the Council are chasing since the signage belongs to G24. 

[dx100uk]

important news

 

 

[FTMDave]

Have a look at OkYeah's thread from post 47 onwards  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/437743-g24-anpr-pcn-matalan-heathcote-rd-longton-stoke-on-trent-st3-2nu-cancelled-after-mp-intervention/page/2/#comments

 

OkYeah has successfully seen off these crooks.

 

It would be a good idea if all of you in the same Heathcote Road boat "followed" each other's threads so you get updates automatically.