G24 ANPR PCN - Sports Direct & Matalan​​​​​​​, Heathcote Road, Longton, Stoke on Trent ST3

[dx100uk]

samtex, please just type no need to hit quote.

 

you really must get reading up, as far as i can see you've only bothered to read one other thread in this forum, you need to read a few 100 to understand what might happen and how to deal with letters and what you ignore and don't. CAG is prodominantly a self-help forum too.

 

it is NOT a FINE

it is NOT a penalty.

 

it's a speculative invoice because the driver supposedly drove onto private land and entered into some imaginary contract whereby the landowner might or might not have entered into a parking management contract with G24, that might or might not be legally enforceable and paid to date.

 

dx

[FTMDave]

When you have time, have a look at this thread  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/435620-g24-pcn-sports-direct-heathcote-rd-longton-stoke-on-trent-st3-2nu-not-paid-yet/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-5117764

 

The OP is in the same situation as you and is trying to dig up as much information as possible to sink the fleecers' case.

[Samtex]

I have just read the thread and it seems like we are pretty much at the same point in our cases. I just received another letter from TRACE a few days back which I will upload. 

 

It states they are doing all they can before taking further action but to be honest G24 (the client) haven't even sent me proof of the offence even though I requested it a number of times. I can't admit / deny or fight anything ticket I've not received. 

Anyway, I've just been sitting tight and I'll upload the latest letter soon. 

 

I have also found this article in the Stoke Sentinel. It seems like there is quite a problem here as both the local MP and the newspapers are getting involved. 

 

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/shoppers-boycott-sports-direct-matalan-5502787

[brassnecked]

Notice the Sentinel and the MP are calling them Fines, someone needs to remind the Sentinal, and the MP that these are Civil Invoices founded under Contract Law for breaching a term in a contract they deem the parker has with them by parking in there.  About time they got the terminology correct as the enforcement  methods different from a Court Fine.

[FTMDave]

It's interesting that the journalist refers to the place as "Longton Retail Park".  I've just e-mailed him, in a friendly tone, to ask if he knows who runs the car park - and at the same time set him right about "fines".

 

We have quite a few motorists here in the same boat as you, and several of you are doing great work in building up evidence against the fleecers.  It would be a good idea to keep an eye on each other's threads.  Do a search for "G24" or "Heathcote" in thread titles.  You can "follow" the threads too and be automatically e-mailed when there are new posts.

[FTMDave]

There's a new thread  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/437521-g24-anpr-pcn-no-permit-only-1hrs-free-parking-sports-direct-matalan heathcote-road-longton-stoke-on-trent-st3-won/  where the OP has done magnificent work and sussed out (a) when the fleecers could be bothered to put up an entrance sign and (b) when they could finally be pestered to cart away the confusing inactive pay machines.          

 

The OP's digging would be fundamental to batting away a future court claim and exposing the fleecers' lies.

 

Please "Follow" the various threads at this car park so you are kept abreast of developments, I can't remember every single time to keep all of you informed.

 

[Samtex]

Thank you very much @FTMDavefor altering me to this. It will be a great help since the signs went up 5 months after my ticket. I will be closely following the thread and look forward to seeing the proof that the OP has

Edited September 28, 2021 by dx100uk
unnecessary previous post quote removed

[Samtex]

I am now receiving both letter and phone calls from this organisation trying to pressure me into paying this parking charge. 

 

Here is the latest letter. 

It would be great to get the proof from @nc87on the other thread to help with this situation 

(invalid) (1).pdf

Edited July 19, 2021 by Samtex

[honeybee13]

Hi. It looks like a standard threatogram, although the £15 a month is a new one on me. Not that I'm suggesting you pay it.

 

Hopefully @nc87 will come back and post the information, but I don't know if BW Legal will be interested in it at this stage. They're not here to negotiate unless you offer them money, I imagine.

 

How did they get hold of your phone number?

 

HB

[dx100uk]

they are not a registered creditor with the FCA so can't offer payment schemes

you ignore them totally until/unless you get a letter of claim

[brassnecked]

Would the FCA be interested in these PPC  instalment scheme shenanigans?

 

[Samtex]

Here is the latest letter from G24 / BW Legal. 

I have ignored all other communication but this letter states that the next communication will be a letter of claim. 

I could really do with the footage or images from @nc87 as it would help massively with these people who have been plaguing my life for months

bwl parking letter.pdf

[FTMDave]

Just ignore it.  The only time you need to reply is if a Letter of Claim does eventually turn up. 

 

BTW, did you get any reply from the Sports Direct CEO?

Edited September 17, 2021 by FTMDave
Extra info added

[dx100uk]

Have you been reading a good few 10's of threads here yet?

[Samtex]

I have read a number of these posts on different forums. Once the LOC has been received I will have a chance to request full proof of any offence and put forward my case. This is where things get sticky, I have anxiety and do not have much if any experience when it comes to quoting cases and legal precedent. I will also have a CCJ hanging over my head which is an added pressure. This is why I was hoping to get the additional proof from the other forum member that helped end his case.   

[FTMDave]

Sorry, but you've got this all wrong.

 

A Letter of Claim is a legal requirement for the parties to try to sort things out before litigation.  They send you a Letter of Claim.  You write back ridiculing their case.  Er, that's it.

 

You can only get a CCJ if, after the Letter of Claim, G24 take you to court, you lose the court case and you then defy the court and refuse to pay even when ordered to. 

 

I don't know what you mean by "to request full proof of any offence".  You already have this.  G24 reckon you broke one of their silly rules.  They sent you a PCN.  There isn't any more.

 

Here  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/347084-ppc-successes-no-questions-please/

is a list of all our successes.  Well, not all, the ones where there was an obvious "moment of success".  You need to read some of the threads of cases that went all the way to court, to familiarise yourself with the legal process, otherwise you'll keep getting it wrong.

[dx100uk]

 

I have read a number of these posts on different forums

 

simple answer is STOP reading other forums as advised 5 times now since you came here in june...and in my last post

 

stick to CAG, we don't purposefully confuse people by giving wrong advice to get money out of you later by fake court help or via external websites that profess to be experts fpr a price.

 

42 minutes ago, Samtex said:

I will also have a CCJ hanging over my head which is an added pressure.

you keep going on about this 'other' ccj 

 

please create a new thread and tell us all about it.

 

 

 

[FTMDave]

On 17/09/2021 at 12:49, FTMDave said:

BTW, did you get any reply from the Sports Direct CEO?

 

[Samtex]

Thank you @FTMDavefor the clarification. 

As previously mentioned, my car registration was between addresses at the time. 

I did not receive any information regarding the alleged offence until many months later when I  received a letter requesting I pay a £160 fine. So I have not received any pictures or proof regarding the incident. 

 

I have messaged Sports Direct on their website and Mike Ashley directly but no response as yet but I will follow up.

[dx100uk]

it is not a fine!!

 

you can't get a CCJ for a parking fine!

 

dx

 

[FTMDave]

Thanks for the Sports Direct update.  We now know that avenue is no good.

 

However, there are seven of you on CAG in the same position, and not only has no-one been taken to court but G24 haven't even sent anyone a LOC yet.  They are obviously very unconfident about a judge examining their rubbish signs and silly rules.

 

If you want the original PCN then as explained in posts 12 & 13 simply SAR G24.

[Samtex]

I've just heard back from Sports Direct today. They don't own the land that is use for parking so they are unable to overrule any tickets issued. 

[FTMDave]

Thanks for this.  Right from the start of G24's disgraceful antics we've been unsure whether the car park belonged to Sports Direct or a third party.  You've answered that question and helped the six other motorists here in the same position.

[Samtex]

I have replied to Sport Direct with the following in the smallest hope of support either for myself or others going forward... 

  

Quote

 

Hi xxx, 

Thank you for your email. 

 

My thoughts are, even if Sports Direct does not own the land, you are a critical component in the success of the parking operators business. 

As such you could apply significant pressure to G24 Limited on behalf of your customers. 

To many, Sports Direct are the public face of this whole deception by G24. It reflects extremely badly on you as a company but even more so if you do not use your influence to affect change but stand by and let this happen on your doorstep. 

 

 

[dx100uk]

Snotty letter time