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So the government are already threatening to call an early election. It was also Smug who came up with proroguing Parliament.

 

From the Times: 'He said that because the fixed-term parliaments act had been revoked, Johnson could turn any vote in the Commons into a confidence vote. If he lost, it would trigger the dissolution of parliament and an election. A source who was at the meeting said: “Jacob was making the point that this was something nobody, even the rebels, wants.” '

 

Never mind that on the latest figures Johnson would lose his seat.

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And here are Martin Kettle's thoughts on the current situation.

 

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The PM has picked ministers who owe him everything and do his bidding. They have a duty to the country but are shirking it, says Guardian columnist...

 

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Government will start to throw money around it has not got.  See todays story about people on benefits being enabled to take out mortgages. No doubt with Government subsidy and guarantor financial backing.

 

This is just the start. Get ready for cuts in some taxes and announcements of money to be spent on supporting communities (red wall seats won in 2019).

 

 

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Absolutely UB, Rishi  has already started, expect another handout next year Joe Biden style (though its not done him much good so far)
But I still think if he throws enough  money at people the Tories will be the largest party at the next GE , regardless of By election results

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I'm not sure a handout next year is going to cut it, people are having problems already.

 

Meanwhile two other rail unions are threatening to join the RMT this summer in timing that could affect the Commonwealth Games in Birmingham. As they're already 5,000 people short to run the games and are talking about the army for that, I don't see them being available to help with the railways.

 

Summer of Discontent, anyone?

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Quite likely, discontent always rears its head during periods of high inflation
especially with fuel heading towards £2 per litre (sorry for betraying the metric martyrs on this occasion😀)

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8 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

Boris the liar and pals will say they will start to throw money around it has not got, and wouldn't deliver in any way that helps ordinary people anyway

 

 

 

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 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar"  "devoid of decency"

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David Allen Green has a fascinating new blog trying to disentagle the stofy on the legal advice taken or not taken for the forthcoming bill for NI. He thinks there's a huge row going on within the government.

 

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9th June 2022 Something odd – and worrying – is happening. Of course, there are always odd and worrying things happening – increasingly in the...

 

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There is nothing wrong with NI protocol, but there is a problem with the DUP.

 

Even if UK Government managed to agree revised processes with the EU, so there were no significant delays for 99% of goods at the border in Belfast, the DUP would not be happy. The problem for the DUP is that NI is being treated differently than England, Scotland and Wales.

 

I understand the difficulties the Government is having as legally they cannot break protocol terms, but don't understand why they think clever tactical maneuvers are going to change the position of the DUP.

 

Government could end up breaking the law and not really changing much.

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You're right UB. The DUP seem to have the same mindset as the ERG in that nothing is ever good enough and every time there is a concession, they move the goalposts and want more.

 

There must be a trust issue after Johnson stitched up the DUP with the border in the Irish Sea and then lied about it. In fact, I don't ever remember him admitting he knew what he was doing to NI border checks.

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The problem is Johnson ....

 

i was going to type more about his promising/lying/talking doodoo on the fly/waffling all sorts of conflicting things to different factions .. but line 1 covers that and far more

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 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar"  "devoid of decency"

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I don't know if the food policy announcement is being made on Monday now, as it looks as if the NI bill is ready with the Truss/Frost/ERG amendments in it. The papers today are saying that's out on Monday.

 

Anyway, the food strategy hasn't gone down well with some.

 

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Labour says leaked white paper suggesting more fish farming and venison ‘borders on preposterous’

 

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Been following those as well as the rises in Covid cases with the spread of Omicron v4 + v5 and bread prices are rising as Ukraine and Russia are literally 2 of the main 'bread basket' regions of Europe.

 

How anyone can claim inflation is only 9/10% i have no idea .. oops - that its boris the Liar influenced claims of course explains it.

 

 

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Partygate/Metgate concise summary

 

 

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I see Tossus-Potus has replaced the prior lead bonus of brexit - delaying any implementation to prevent collapse of UK business

- with a new one - reintroducing more powerful vacuum cleaners ..

 

err .. No one can afford to run vacuums that use double the electricity except your servants using your 3,500 pound MPs 'energy expense allowance' Tossus 

 

and as pointed out by Tom Peck:

"Who is going to manufacture these vacuum cleaners? And are they going to bother producing a more powerful version solely for the UK market?

The answer to that is no. If the UK were a big enough vacuum-cleaner market on its own, one suspects that leading Brexiteer and vacuum magnate James Dyson might not have relocated his company to Singapore."

 

 

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There seem to be an awful lot of downsides and hardly any upsides, TJ.

 

For the legal side, David Allen Green has done a blog with some good observations. He thinks the government's legal position makes no sense.

 

DAVIDALLENGREEN.COM

13th June 2022 The government of the United Kingdom published this evening the Northern Irish Protocol Bill. This Bill is so the government can...

 

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In simple terms (as I understand it) 

The liar + sweller the rubber stamper (plus the numpty brigade) are relying on the “doctrine of necessity” which apparently can ONLY be invoked when a country’s interests are in

1. “grave and imminent peril”

2. for reasons to which it has not contributed

 

Seems to me that

* Johnson et arses al are the ones who negotiated and forced through the protocol in full awareness of the implications however much they may have simply hoped or even (unreasonably) expected that they wouldn't have to deliver (strike one)

* Johnsons populists and the DUPs political wants (and the political aims of the DUP as a now minority party) is what is causing grave and imminent peril to the UK rather than the protocol (strike two)

* NI largely has the best of both worlds (cake and eat it) and is actually prospering beyond the overall UK under the protocol  (strike three)

* Breaching the agreement with the EU is likely to cause considerably more issues for NI than there are with it in place (strike four)

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“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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It sounds tenuous to me but we may never find out unless there's an international court case over this.

 

Just saw this in the Guardian live feed.

 

Boris Johnson has floated the prospect of the UK pulling out of the European convention on human rights if that turns out to be necessary to allow the Rwanda deportation policy to continue, the Mail’s Jason Groves reports.

Here we go again. Rather than get a decent policy, let's wreck the institution/convention that's standing in our way. Baby out with the bathwater in my view and the British public will be the losers.

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He's dogwhistling to his rabid base - like Trump did and does

 

Wonder of wee Nicky will use one of Johnsons claims as a justification for a scot independence referendum lol?

Johnson will have the choice of admitting he was talking doodoo, giving the scots another referendum, or just BSing .. the latter seems most in keeping.

 

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"“We are dealing with a prime minister that doesn’t respect democracy, the law or any of the norms that underpin democracy in the UK”

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Who said the quote, TJ?

 

I've seen a few pronouncements from Johnson recently that could be used against him and I'm sure wee Nicola and others are paying close attention.

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Nicky said it - and about a million or more others no doubt ..

 

 

7 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

There seem to be an awful lot of downsides and hardly any upsides, TJ.

 

For the legal side, David Allen Green has done a blog with some good observations. He thinks the government's legal position makes no sense.

 

DAVIDALLENGREEN.COM

13th June 2022 The government of the United Kingdom published this evening the Northern Irish Protocol Bill. This Bill is so the government can...

 

 

.. Lord Anderson QC also raises the additional excellent point which I had missed, that the requirements for  article 16 included in the protocol are far less than those for the last resort 'doctrine of necessity' the numpty brigade are chuntering about, and is a ANOTHER valid alternative so invalidating a 'last resort' claim, as is simply implementing the documentation systems which have been required since the Brexit vote, and are already needed and used for other countries.

 

But of course, invoking article 16 would immediately be a no deal Brexit which the EU would undoubtedly immediately enforce.

 

Its just hogwash and an attempt at blackmailing the EU (as if) and dog whistling the cheerleaders.

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you’d have to be slightly mad to agree to a trade deal with a country “that’s already trying to go back on one it just signed”

 

-  congressman Brendan Boyle, US ways and means Committee (massive influence on US trade deals)

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"The protocol doesn’t threaten the Good Friday Agreement. What it does do is annoy the Democratic Unionist Party, mainly because they were too stupid to understand what Brexit was before they campaigned for it, and are also, just for the record, the only Northern Irish political party that walked out on the Good Friday Agreement and refused to sign up to it."

 

- Tom Peck

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“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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From David Allen Green last night.

 

Remember - the Good Friday Agreement expressly requires the UK to have the ECHR directly enforceable in Northern Ireland Ergo, the UK cannot leave the ECHR without breaking the Good Friday Agreement Where Rwanda policy crosses Northern Irish policy

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