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The group’s hardline beliefs are unchanged, but coalition partners and regional powers may be moderating influences, says academic Antonio...

 

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Too many would not allow any outside help in organising government and security forces.

 

There was supposed to be about 75000 Taleban, but if 75000 were killed, there would be at least 75000 replacements.

 

Jack Straw was interviewed on a breakfast news programme and he pointed the finger at Pakistan.  Saying there was a road between Pakistan and Afganistan,  with support being provided to the Taleban.

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1. The Afghan Taliban were largely created, trained, housed and supplied through pakistan (allegedly) and there would always be Taliban replacements while there is Pakistan

 

2. As soon as the Taliban returned to Afghanistan, without an external force suppressing them, was there any real doubt that they would be in power even if elections were held given the lack of society building and modernising over the last 20 years?

 

3. The Army maintained order as far as they could, Politicians controlled what was built or not, and Afghanistan under the west for the last 20 years was built on graft

 

 

"vacuous and economically illiterate" "Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

“veil of ignorance” "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

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“What really should haunt and humiliate the west and make our heads hang in shame is the fact that the Taliban now control more of Afghanistan than they did prior to 9/11"

- Tobias Ellwood (Conservative)

 

"“If America doesn’t do it, then Britain is the obvious candidate - but I’m not seeing any of the qualities required to step in and fill this vacuum”

- Tobias Ellwood (Conservative)

 

... Johnson, Rabb and Cronies - LOL

Couldn't build a bridge in a country full of bridges

 

 

 

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No replacement for official security document amid scramble to escape following Taliban takeover

 

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"vacuous and economically illiterate" "Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

“veil of ignorance” "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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Raab and Johnson didn't come out of it well yesterday in the Commons. Theresa May was scathing and Tom Tugendhat spoke well.

 

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‘I do find it incomprehensible and worrying that the United Kingdom was not able to bring together not a military solution but an alternative alliance’

 

Plus a tweet from Pippa Crerar of the Mirror yesterday. 'Boris Johnson asked if 15,000 Afghans who will have to wait years for resettlement should just "hang about and wait until they've been executed?" He doesn't have an answer.'

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Patel explains to Kay Burley why the government can't take 20,000 people from Afghanistan in one go.

 

It's being pointed out on Twitter that Johnson has offered to take 3-5 million from Hong Kong. Also that Britain took 28,000 Ugandan asians when Patel's parents arrived.

 

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On 16/08/2021 at 22:24, tobyjugg2 said:

an interesting and very American perspective - not wrong though

 

Trump followers are now trying to throw the blame on Biden and the democrats when it was clearly Trump that emboldened and re-empowered the Taliban:

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-removes-page-hailing-trump-taliban-deal-2021-8

 

Broader perspective:

 

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US military exit is likely to become Beijing's strategic gain

 

a bit of depth on the 'mechanisms' worth a peruse:

 

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As U.S. troops withdraw, many contract employees – most of them from poor countries, including Nepal – are leaving Afghanistan and fanning out...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any idea why the U.S. suddenly withdrew?. How come no gradual approach? or am I missing somethings and it has been a gradual approach. If there was a deadline set and a more gradual approach then maybe planes wouldn't have to leave half empty?

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How wierd

, I can log back in with this one again - but cloudflare wont even let me access the site on the other one I had to change to before to access site.

 

well - for now at least

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"vacuous and economically illiterate" "Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

“veil of ignorance” "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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Ok

Brief breakdown

 

THe US and its allies were in Afghanistan to 'get' Bin Laden, and the Taliban because they wouldn't 'get' bin laden at the US request even though the Taliban probably had damn all to do with 9/11

 

It dragged on, with claims now it was 'never' about nation building - and they didnt

- Just 20 years and a couple of $Trillion and loads of allied (lol - servants) and US deaths as a ... whatever it was

 

The US has long wanted out, but couldn't see how without losing face, standing and credibility, and Afghanistan reverting to largely 'as it was' with the yanks and their allies looking like idiot losers.

 

Then last year Trump just said the taliban are fine upstanding gents we'll get out and hand it back to them and f*ck the idiots we have maintained in power at great cost for 20 years

 

Biden was caught between a rock and a hard place, so rather thanbreak the rock and soften the hard place, he just head butted the rock.

 

 

The Us expected the Afghan military to hold out for 3-6 months (90 days most likely scenario) before they were all killed and the Taliban won anyway

= but that would have given the US time to get their people out while the Afghan Army, with not even air support died to give the yanks time to get their people out

 

A few  Afghan units fought to the death, the Taliban targetted those likely to with mass assaults and from already embedded members threatening families and killing leaders over the prior couple months.

The rest took taliban money and walked away - and who can blame them when the leaders were legging it on preferred flights with $millions.

It all collapsed inside two weeks - leaving the yanks out on the limb they expected the Afghan troops to die on to protect them as they withdrew - leaving it all to the Taliban

 

This leaves the yanks and their skivvies (us) having to ship troops back in to protect the withdrawel the US thoughts Afghans would die for

 

Could we (the UK) have held of the Taliban alone (while the yanks left - but would want to maintain control) - not as things stand with corruption rife and the soldiers on the ground isolated and disillusioned and similar corruption and cronyism inherent in Johnson cabal

 

and not with total arses like:

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Militant group will be judged on ‘actions not words’, says Boris Johnson

 

 

 

 

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"vacuous and economically illiterate" "Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

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Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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Oh course, Rabb was sunning on a beach with a do not disturb even to save Afghan Interpreters sign, which he thought was hilarious during the emergency parliamentary session - he undoubtedly wont resign over the failure or his abhorrent inappropriate humour

Good job global britain is only in the populists heads as we've lost ALL credibility

 

 

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Foreign secretary is already under fire for holidaying in Greece as Kabul fell to the Taliban

 

 

and a populist ****** is alleged to have said to Starmer:

"Were the government of this kingdom to be overthrown by a wicked and brutal regime, I venture that he would want a leading role in the resistance?”

= err thats exactly the case isn't it?

 

 

 

Oh and it seems the Island of Ireland is doing great without the uUK

"The latest snapshot from the CSO showed the value of goods imported from Northern Ireland to the Irish Republic rose by 77% to almost €1.8bn in the first six months of 2021, compared with the same period in 2020.

Exports from the Irish Republic to Northern Ireland rose by 40% to almost €1.6bn over the same period, reflecting increased cross-border trade since Brexit as the region effectively remained in the EU’s single market for goods."

 

"vacuous and economically illiterate" "Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

“veil of ignorance” "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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Even a prat like Liam Fox can see

"“The strategic weakness of our alliance will have been noted not just in Kabul, but in Moscow, and in Beijing, and in Tehran and in Islamabad.”"

"vacuous and economically illiterate" "Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

“veil of ignorance” "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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Raab delegated a very important call about saving the interpreters to a junior minister, rather than interrupt his beach time at the expensive 5-star resort on Crete. This isn't a new problem, I've been reading about it for weeks.

 

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Calls for foreign secretary to quit after he passed crucial call to junior minister while on holiday

 

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The Afghan forces disintegrated ahead of the Taliban’s rapid advance. Now, the militants are searching for thousands of Afghan soldiers and security...

 

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"vacuous and economically illiterate" "Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

“veil of ignorance” "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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Rabb and Johnson:

 

You shall fight them while we lounge on the beaches

You shall fight them while we frolic in the sands

Nothing which may happen in this battle can in any way hold us to our duty

We will never be held accountable

We have nothing to offer but YOUR blood sweat and tears

 

- Plagiarising and paraphrasing Churchill

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"vacuous and economically illiterate" "Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

“veil of ignorance” "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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"It has emerged that Mr Raab and other Tory MPs who are now senior cabinet ministers maligned “lazy” British workers in a book they co-authored in 2012.

Britannia Unchained – Global Growth And Prosperity, co-written with home secretary Priti Patel, business secretary Kwasi Kwarteng and trade secretary Liz Truss, said: “Once they enter the workplace, the British are among the worst idlers in the world.”

 

How strange then that the man busy on the beach and his cronies so desperately wanted rid of EU workers?

 

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Under-pressure minister previously said it easier to ‘let go’ of lazy staff

 

 

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Are we seeing the early signs of a Government losing popularity ?

 

The Conservatives had a 20% lead in polls awhile ago, as people who voted Brexit stuck with them.

 

Now we are seeing many issues that the Government are struggling with,  they are coming under attack, even from Conservative backbench MP's.  Not sure Theresa May will receive a Christmas card from Boris this year. 

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The foreign secretary is under pressure to resign over his handling of the Afghanistan crisis.

 

 

 

 

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"vacuous and economically illiterate" "Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

“veil of ignorance” "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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"vacuous and economically illiterate" "Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

“veil of ignorance” "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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Raab's local party received £25k from a Russian ex-banker with alleged Kremlin connections. There are also mutterings on Twitter about the resort in Crete being owned by someone who also has Russian connections and about whether Raab could afford the resort's prices on a ministerial salary.

 

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The Foreign Secretary is fighting to keep his job for being on holiday while Kabul fell - now we can reveal his local party got cash from a former...

 

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