Boris Johnson Prime Minister

[honeybee13]

I'm not sure about that. I thought the time to argue was by defending the FPN.

[tobyjugg2]

Just now, honeybee13 said:

I'm not sure about that. I thought the time to argue was by defending the FPN.

 

Yes, but a number haven't paid - its the paying that effectively admits guilt

[honeybee13]

I should know but what happens if you don't pay an FPN?

[honeybee13]

In case anyone is interested, this is from Change.org about the selling off of Channel4. I think their news journos and as other people onliine have mentioned, to me it sounds personal because they try to hold ministers to account.

 

Petition update · Where does OUR choice come into all this? · Change.org

WWW.CHANGE.ORG

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 When Culture Secretary Nadine Dorries is asked by the Digital, Culture, Media & Sport Committee why she won't go on Channel 4 News to answer...

 

[tobyjugg2]

6 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

I should know but what happens if you don't pay an FPN?

 

Despite their criticality to the nation if not Johnson, they are rather like parking tickets or chucking litter on a street. Effectively the FPN is still an 'accusation' which can be contested, although the police will say they gave everyone an opportunity ... those in receipt of FPNs could say they aren't experts, and were effectively following orders.

 

Point:

There were undefined excuses built into the law, and lets not forget Johnson 'the corrupt liar' is very willing to lie .. in fact i see little evidence he ever does anything else except in jokes or by accident.

 

Of course Most of the junior civil servants would not be able to call on QC's, let alone undoubtedly not at their own expense ...

 

 

[honeybee13]

Interesting observations here from the Irish Times.

 

Conservatives’ big lie is that the NI protocol is a threat to peace

WWW.IRISHTIMES.COM

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British government is giving succour to those who want to destroy the Belfast Agreement

 

[unclebulgaria67]

Could Tories be thinking that after next election, they might need to have DUP MP's to keep them in Government ?

 

Current polling suggests a hung Parliament.

[honeybee13]

That's a point, UB. Given how they were stitched up over the protocol, it would be a brave move though.

[unclebulgaria67]

But Tories in Government are quite capable of channeling money to Unionist area projects in return for DUP support on key legislation.

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

6 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

Current polling suggests a hung Parliament.

 

LOL with the Tories with most seats LOL LOL LOL

in the mail/Brex-press and Truss' twitter feed perhaps

 

All the polls I see show labour with 70+ seats over the Tories - down from around 120 a few weeks ago, although god knows why its gone down.

 

Add the 50 ish SNP seats while they are part of the union .. and i cant see the Libs pairing up with the cons again any time soon  ..

 

 

Australia's got rid of the conservatives too

 

[honeybee13]

It's always worth reading Tony Connelly's thoughts on EU matters. The article is quite long but well put together. This stands out for me:-

 

The question is whether Boris Johnson will oblige and force a complete breakdown in relations with the EU, including a potential trade war.

 

To keep the DUP and European Research Group (ERG) on board, the answer has to be he will.

 

In Plain Sight: London's long game on Protocol

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Having laid down the gauntlet in the House of Commons on Tuesday, the British government has challenged the European Union to renegotiate the...

 

[tobyjugg2]

Joint US-EU statement reads ‘We agree that renegotiating the protocol is not an option’

 

 

UK isolated over Northern Ireland protocol as US-EU alliance rules out renegotiation

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Joint US-EU statement reads ‘We agree that renegotiating the protocol is not an option’

 

[honeybee13]

So Johnson did ask for a meeting with Sue Gray, despite all the denials over the weekend, but No10 don't want to publish notes of it. I think the latest was it was a 'private meeting' and details don't need to be published. Some commentators still think this could have been a meeting to try and get Sue Gray to water down the report, although friends of SG are quoted as saying she's not in the mood to do this.

 

And in other news, Demonic has been tweeting and thinks disgruntled junior staffers, who were fined when senior people at the same parties weren't, are about to publish photos.

 

It could be an interesting week. It's still not clear that the report will be out tomorrow or Wednesday though.

[honeybee13]

ITV have got hold of the first photos.

 

Exclusive: Prime Minister Boris Johnson pictured drinking at Downing Street party during lockdown | ITV News

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Photographs cast doubt on Boris Johnson’s claims he was unaware of rule-breaking. | ITV National News

 

[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, honeybee13 said:

 

And in other news, Demonic has been tweeting and thinks disgruntled junior staffers, who were fined when senior people at the same parties weren't, are about to publish photos.

 

It could be an interesting week. It's still not clear that the report will be out tomorrow or Wednesday though.

 

 

How could that possibly be after the 'extensive' Met investigation  ....

(sic)

 

lets hope the ITV report pics are the first of many

 

In other news the conPERVative partys' members are at it again

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-jonty-campbell-tweet-probe-b2085042.html

 

Edited May 23 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Quite, TJ.

 

If the photos keep coming, they could raise a lot of questions about the Met letting off senior people who attended the same bashes as the ones who were fined. There seem to be quite a few naffed off junior officials looking for answers or revenge.

[tobyjugg2]

too true

 

One of the excuses 'posited for Johnson the Liar is that as Johnson 'lives' at no 10 - so he had an excuse to be there ..

 

a) He lives in the flat .. where he held at least one party

b) tell that to all the people who had a couple of visitors to their home furing the same period and got a 100 quid fine along with the 'non-residents'

 

Corrupt Politicians, corrupt Met

 

 

 

 

 

[honeybee13]

A lot of people are baffled, me included. How can a 'work interview' go on with Abba blaring out? I don't believe that one.

[honeybee13]

Adam Wagner, barrister and expert on covid rules today.

 

 

[honeybee13]

I wonder what's going to come out today?

 

The Times is saying that Johnson held the meeting with Sue Gray to say there was no point publishing the report as the information is 'all out there'. HMG wants to move on and you can absolutely see why, but it seems to me that the public are just as angry as they were when this first came to light and I think more photos could be very damaging to Johnson's reputation and even the Tories.

 

Has he kept Simon Case as a human shield to be discarded once the report comes out?

 

French TV featured this earlier and are wondering just how long a PM in this situation can hang on when it looks so bad.

[tobyjugg2]

Bet he did - and will deny it, as he already has via proxies as always so he can claim I didn't say such a thing - because he instructed someone else to .. Johnson thje Liars Implausible deniability

 

That should also be in the report if it is to be anything like complete and honest

Edited May 24 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

No10 insiders have been talking to BBC Panorama.

 

Partygate: Insiders tell of packed No 10 lockdown parties

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Staff describe bins overflowing with bottles, people sitting on each other's laps and colleagues sleeping in the office.

 

[theoldrouge]

22 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

A lot of people are baffled, me included. How can a 'work interview' go on with Abba blaring out? I don't believe that one.

I find it always increases my productivity with Abba blaring out 

[tobyjugg2]

This is what should be blaring out to them every time they show their faces

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

It’s truly inspirational to think their £460,000 “Partygate” performance piece has not yet reached its final form. That will come as early as today, when a number of the officers tasked with not spotting Boris Johnson in a series of piss-up photos get signed off with stress.

 

Only when they’ve been on the sick for two years, then retired with a full pension but also returned to a high-paying station desk job, will Partygate have attained the British establishment gold standard.

 

- Marina Hyde

Edited May 24 by tobyjugg2