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    • That’s brilliant thanks for all the info, enjoy your evening.   Yeah, that makes a lot of sense about the F&F, definitely something worth considering to lower the amount of communications to deal with.   It’s good to know that newer debts can also be missing the documents needed, sounds more hopeful.   Thank you    
    • You are receiving what you bargained for / accepted, for both contracts (site access & tent). Did you book the tent for 4 nights, knowing you could only use 3. if the tent had been available for 3 nights only: you could have contracted for that. if it wasn’t, and your choice was “pay for 4 nights, get 3 nights use” or “don’t book” - you made your choice, and agreed a contract.   They are now offering others more, but provided you are receiving what you contracted for and no less, you don’t have a cause of action.   If you might get the extra tent night free, but only if you pay the access fee : you are still no worse off!   if you want to get “more value” from the tent contract : consider paying the site’s early access fee. If you choose not to you’ll still get what you originally contracted for so aren’t actually worse off, even if you feel slighted.
    • Hi,    I'm not sure if this is the correct forum for the following, and am looking for a general consensus or thoughts on whether i have cause to take action or not?  It's long winded but I've tried to be as concise as possible with the facts of the matter.    We booked a festival ticket for an event running from Friday to Monday, in addition we booked via a separate 3rd party company a luxury tent in that companies camp site within the festival. This was at a considerable cost.    Sometime after the purchase of the festival ticket, the organisers announced acts for the Thursday night and an early entry ticket for that night at a reduced cost.     We are not in a position to purchase an early access ticket, as we're unable to change our plans.  On the festival forum those who had purchased an early access ticket for Thursday entry questioned whether they would be able to have an extra night in the luxury tents, otherwise what would they do? The festival organisers said they would be able to. However when we queried the 3rd party they explicitly stated their site was not available on Thursday and would only be open Friday to Monday.  A number of other people reported the same response.   It was on that understanding that we did not actively try to make arrangements that would have allowed us to purchase an early access ticket.    Then all of a sudden the 3rd party changed its position and an email was received to say anyone booked into the 3rd party site would have a free night on Thursday if they had paid the festival organisers the small amount for the early access ticket.    It doesn't seem at all fair some can benefit from this, and some cannot, and I've no problem with anyone who does benefit.    I've messaged the 3rd party and they maintain the terms and conditions haven't changed, they've just added an extra free night that anyone with an early access ticket can take advantage of. This was not the case at the point of sale, because if it was we would have made arrangements to take advantage, instead we were only made aware after they changed their minds to permit this, and we're now not in a position to benefit.    I believe the terms and conditions have changed, and as a consequence I'm paying for a 4 night luxury Tent, and only receiving 3 nights.     I believe it is reasonable to receive either a refund for one night based on the cost now covering 4 nights, or a free night, and a refund of the cost of one night based on the original total of the 3 night contract.    Am i right or being stupid?   Thank you. 
    • Scotland - I know there are some differences when compared with England around statute barred, there may be others I'm not aware of so hopefully someone else is keeping and eye and will correct anything that is said.   I've plans this evening with the fam, so this may be rushed and I might miss something. Given you have so many accounts in different stages, it will be difficult to dig into each individually but the same will apply for all and we will get there   Priority debts are essentially anything that keeps a roof over your head. Anything consumer credit (CC, loan, store cards etc) are NOT priority debts.   Yes, that's what I meant, but really I just mean you will have choices with some saved in the bank. It makes sense on smaller accounts that you offer F&F to clear them IF they aren't already defaulted as it will just lower the amount of communications you will start getting - BUT defaulted debts will show on your credit record and affect you whether you pay them off or not, 6 years from the default, then they will disappear (could be 5 in Scotland, not sure)   You're quite correct that the older the debt, the more likely the paperwork is missing, but some of mine were very new (2020/21 also) and they couldn't provide the documentation..   Lets start here:   -  lower the pro rata on all to £1 (don't provide any income & expenditure info) -  CCA Request to each company that has bought the debt from OC (the last letter from OC will state they've been sold to xxxx) -  get access to credit file -  Forget your morals, they have none   For those debts already showing in default on your credit file and have been sold, you can stop paying entirely until you receive a complete CCA from them   I'll be back later   BT
    • Just a question out of curiosity. What will happen when the 6 years pass since all this began. By this I mean my moving out of the property and all that has followed? From what I can remember I definitely moved out either May or Jun 2016, as my dob is May and I moved out soon after celebrating it. So what will happen when 6 years pass, could someone please explain? Thank you 😊   
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What a difference compared to

 

I dont recognise anything in those claims

. Oh that - I didnt attend and know nothing about it

.. Oh that - it wasnt a party/cronyism/corruption and I didn't attend

.... Oh that - I was dragged in, didn't realise it was a party/corruption and left straight away

...... Oh that - I'm saying nowt and nobody else better either

... OH that, the courts may have said its unlawful, but thats not illegal

..... Oh that - the courts may have said it was illegal but we are changing the law

 

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As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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Pre Johnson:

 

“None of us ever remember having a drink in No 10 unless it was a formal party booked in the White Room.”

- Anji Hunter speaking at KCL

 

although Johnson undoubtedly claims its still so

aka 'It wasnt a party as it wasn't in the white room

- OH yes you did and Oh yes there was, shout the panto audience

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As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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I’m told that in a meeting with Govt special advisors today No 10 chief of staff Dan Rosenfield told them not to worry about police probe into No 10 parties. “At worst it will be like getting a fixed penalty fine for speeding, nothing to worry about,” he said.
 
 
 
 
 
Police to investigate Downing St parties, as it’s becoming too big for Sue Gray to sweep under the carpet by herself.
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As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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Interesting that

 

"Cressida Dick told the London assembly that the decision was founded on the belief that those involved “knew, or ought to have known” that what they were doing was an offence and that there was “little ambiguity around the absence of any reasonable defence”. She said the investigation was launched after the Cabinet Office inquiry team, led by Gray, passed information to the force. Retrospective investigations of lockdown infringements were conducted only for “the most serious and flagrant type of breach”, she said. "

 

 

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Rebel Tories expect findings to trigger wave of demands for PM’s removal

 

 

 

As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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and a reminder of more of Johnsons lies around the time of Johnson claiming the British Army running away from some tribesmen in Afghanistan was one of the greatest military achievements of the last 50 years or more

(and thats not the lie I'm referring)

 

 

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Boris Johnson said it was "complete nonsense" that he personally authorised the evacuation of Pen Farthing’s dogs from Afghanistan in...

 

As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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Ian Davies, boss of Stena Line’s UK ports, said Holyhead and Fishguard have both been affected.

 

 

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Irish port Rosslare Europort has had a good Brexit by avoiding UK ports and increasing its European freight.

 

As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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The Metropolitan police have still failed to interview the cake which so maliciously ambushed the PM as he went about his 'lawful' business of sleaze, corruption and partying. (PM = Partying Minister)

 

Cressida Dick excused this in a statement claiming that the cake had been eaten, and as the complainant spreads such a vast, constant stream of s**t so far and wide, it was proving extremely difficult to locate the specific piece of evidence.

She further stated that without that crucial specific evidence there could not be a case to answer.

 

update Dec 2079

Investigations are ongoing, and the cake is still top of the freeport state of Loondons most wanted list.

In other business, The freeport states accounts committee questioned the 46 trillion loonbucks cost of the investigation to date,

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As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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This article from the Mail could make uncomfortable reading for anyone who could be interviewed by the Met over partygate. Mentions of prison sentences for lying.

 

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Detectives will try to obtain material that has been withheld from Sue Gray's inquiry into the lockdown-breaking parties as part of the Met's criminal...

 

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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According to the Times, Johnson is currently trying to persuade MPs to back him by saying

 

1. He's had bad advice. To justify a cull in no 10?

 

2. If he goes, there will have to be a general election [when the Tories are doing badly in the    polls]. This isn't automatic.

 

3. With the situation in the Ukraine, now is not the time to get rid of him.

 

Rees Smug was talking about a GE yesterday and at least two senior tories told him it was nonsense. But I suppose Smug wants to stay as leader of the house because another PM might not keep him.

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The title is self-explanatory. £500,000 of taxpayers' money.

 

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Exclusive: ‘Flying to Australia on a chartered jet is shockingly privileged and an outrageous source of emissions’ – Anna Hughes, FlightFree UK

 

 

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1 hour ago, honeybee13 said:

The title is self-explanatory. £500,000 of taxpayers' money.

 

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Exclusive: ‘Flying to Australia on a chartered jet is shockingly privileged and an outrageous source of emissions’ – Anna Hughes, FlightFree UK

 

 

 

On top of the thousands of pounds we pay for her to have lunches at restaurants of her choice

Bit rich for someone who voted for kids to go hungry

 

Just Johnsonite ****

As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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Entitled is the term I think

As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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another day, another ..

 

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Sanjeev Gupta thanked senior minister for help, letter shows

 

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As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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Well, quite a change in stance from the Met after Johnson delays it

 

From 'We are fine with the report being released in its entirety, to effectively 'don't mention the bad stuff

- which is as we first expected from Johnson and Dick before the surprising 'yeah release it'

 

 

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Force is running parallel criminal probe into potential lawbreaking at Downing Street

 

 

Wonder what self destroying message personal phones that was arranged on?

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As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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That still leaves the parties the Met isn't investigating though and the drinking culture in no10 though, doesn't it?

 

If they're not careful though, there will be accusations of no10 kicking the can down the road and possibly trying to influence the investigations.

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In parallel, there needs to be a proper accounting for all the 'government business' carried out on these private phones, and all parties (sic) involved banned from public office, all agreements vetted by cross party commissions, and all funds involved clawed back immediately and held until the results of the commissions clear them .. or not, with all legitimate interactions properly logged into government systems.

 

In parallel with that there needs to be further investigation into any criminality occurring via those mechanisms, with proper justification for actions checked - not simple lack of evidence for criminality as an unlawful/unofficial mechanism was used and destroyed

 

Then perverting the course of justice and some sort of abuse of position charges for all as a minimum.

 

Johnsons 'guvernment running via 'dark web' and related mechanisms used by perverts and criminals to evade justice has to be stopped and punished

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As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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Several organisations are concerned about exploding messages and lack of transparency. I suspect it hasn't been by accident, this isn't how government business should be done. If the people involved were in the private sector, they'd likely be in trouble.

 

I've also read that when news of Sue Gray's enquiry came out, there was an order from on high to delete anything to do with parties from mobile phones. You'd hope the Met would be looking at that, also that they can retrieve deleted messages from the server or wherever.

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A little reminder from the article 50 thread 2 years ago:

 

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Worth the minute or two it takes to read whatever 'slant' might be considered applied to it.

 

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/12/20/boris-johnson-is-planning-radical-changes-to-the-uk-constitution-here-are-the-ones-you-need-to-know-about/

"

 

 

 

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As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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never ending

 

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Sir Philip Barton said he had given ‘inadvertently inaccurate answers’.

 

 

 

 

As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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On 27/01/2022 at 06:57, honeybee13 said:

This article from the Mail could make uncomfortable reading for anyone who could be interviewed by the Met over partygate. Mentions of prison sentences for lying.

 

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Detectives will try to obtain material that has been withheld from Sue Gray's inquiry into the lockdown-breaking parties as part of the Met's criminal...

 

 

 

* yet the Met allegedly fist said :'It can be released in full and theres no issue

* then allegedly LATER said : Minimise references to the severe stuff

* Now allegedly want it heavily reduced and redacted

 

- So is it Dick or Johnson thats driving that?

 

... The first one seemed to be from Dick.

As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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