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I see Frost is saying that failure to rip up the NI protocol he negotiated, and that he and Johnson and the Brexit oi(n)ks pressed through as a 'great deal' ... would be a historic mistake.

- Seems unquestionable that he would quickly say the same of any other deal he might negotiate to replace it.

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Starting to think the argument with the EU is a distraction tactic, to divert attention away from news that this government is a disaster.

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Good point Unc, there seems to be no other sense in it. Perhaps the antics also a distraction from the realities of the NI issues

 

Just watched sky news and utterly gobsmacked at the '3 takeaways' from the slatings given the government over the mismanagement of the pandemic - all three excuses why it wasn't the Govs fault

- thats the 3 takaways from 10s of thousands of un-necessary deaths and billions in costs and even more in damage to the economy - three reasons why it wasn't the UK govs fault.

 

This one was a cracker

- Johnson et al couldn't take laptops into cobra meetings with the latest data because of security ..

So:

1. the PM who unlawfully prorogued/shut down the UK parliament allegedly couldn't take a few laptops into his cobra meeting?

2. anyway - Sky seem to have forgotten that Johnson was reported as not attending them as he was on holiday or hiding away writing his book while paid by the UK taxpayer to run the country - while the disaster was unfolding wasn't he

 

.. How amazing - even with the current set up that was really - astounding

 

even Dermet (??) struggled to keep a straight face at the deputy political editors (I think - deputy something) takeaways

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So Cummings says they always planned to sign the NIP and then ditch parts of it. There's some scepticism online about whether this is true but I'm pretty sure I remember Gove saying that we could renegotiate the bits we don't like afterwards. Possibly to the ERG to get them to agree to it.

 

Who believes Cummings, guys?

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Yes I believe Cummings. There are few agreements the current Government would not break 

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so do I (believe they actually both agreed the protocol with the EU and sold it to the UK in bad faith),

and more than that I genuinely dont think they will honour anything they agree - nothing.

 

.. Even the USA wants little to do with Johnson, and the Auzzies only because they need only deliver what they already wanted to deliver - and on better terms than they expected.

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“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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Why is that important?

Because it makes the word and worth of the UK ..  even more worthless on the global stage than it now is in the European sphere - at least the EU has to deal with the UK for the moment due to NI

Note the DUP is more simply refusing to deal with RoI or the other NI parties ..

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neither am I LOL

 

Quote of the day:

 

“But I thought they Got Brexit Done?”

- Daily Mirror political editor Pippa Crerar pokes fun at the government over the never-ending protocol saga.

 

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“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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I feel sorry for Sefcovic and his team. They've been working since they got the July 'command paper', I imagine. They actually consulted with businesses in NI and the night before they produced their considered solution, Frost declared that it wasn't good enough without even considering it.

 

Businesses in NI seem pretty pleased with the offer so far. Of course the DUP isn't.

 

Did you see the interview with Ian Paisley jnr saying that Johnson told him he would tear up the NIP?

 

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

Paisley says Johnson told him he ‘would sign up to changing that protocol and indeed tearing it up’

 

 

 

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It makes sense given that the agreement he signed and sold didnt in any way meet his promises .. mind you, nothing could or will meet his rediculous and conflicting promises of all the benefits, and maintaining our position in the single market and doing whatever he likes - including breaching agreements and international law

- like murdering immigrants - he can make it 'un-trialable' in the UK, but it would still be muder/manslaughter in maritime and international law.

 

Time is ticking though. The EU seems to be largely marking time waiting for:

The NI issue will resolve one way or the other by the time the next elections there are done ..

Either NI will leave the Union, as Scotland is likely to, or the EU will have to ramp up the pernalties - although the EU is in a position to simply stop trading with the UK, no actual trade war - just ignore.

 

 

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At the moment though, there isn't much stopping EU countries sending goods to the UK in terms of customs arrangements, is there? I saw that BMW was complaining about loss of exports to the UK yesterday though.

 

I also read that a shipment of fruit and veg is on its way by ship from Morocco in a 'Brexit busting' new route. Ironic when we're hosting COP26 and meant to be reducing food miles, etc.

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Thought this might happen. Relaxation of movement of workers who cross borders on a temporary basis.

 

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15 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

At the moment though, there isn't much stopping EU countries sending goods to the UK in terms of customs arrangements, is there? I saw that BMW was complaining about loss of exports to the UK yesterday though.

 

I also read that a shipment of fruit and veg is on its way by ship from Morocco in a 'Brexit busting' new route. Ironic when we're hosting COP26 and meant to be reducing food miles, etc.

 

yes, like the massive super ferries the EU commissioned to bypass the UK in a RoI-EU run (they must expect permanent change),

and that container tankers have stopped unloading at the UK and now unload at EU docks and transport on anything thats required to the UK post unloading.

 

LOL - a shipload of food by ferried in by the brexiters - they want to make sure Patels doesn't sink it by 'mistake' - and then get away with it of course.

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"it really doesn't say a lot about the UK government's view of our attractiveness that we might have to drop climate change objectives to get trade deals.”

- David Henig - UK director of European Centre For International Political Economy

 

- and a pretty p**s-poor trade deal 6x better for Australia than the UK at that ...

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Johnson, Starmer, Lyndsay Hoyle, Patel and others were in Southend today to honour David Amess. Very sad.

 

But I can't help thinking of Jo Cox and don't remember the Tories being that involved after she was murdered. This is from the Guardian two years ago, about Johnson. Even his sister said she didn't agree with what he was saying.

 

'In the Commons on Wednesday, he told one MP that her concerns about aggressive language fuelling violence were “humbug” and another that the best way to honour Cox was to “get Brexit done”.'

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20 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

Even his sister said she didn't agree with what he was saying.

 

Mind you Rachel Johnson's a staunch Remainer and doesn't agree with most of what Boris says! 

 

Although unsurprisngly, as has she a professional career of her own, she gets fed with of being introduced as "Boris's sister" and always being asked what she thinks about something Boris has said.

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Fintan O'Toole has an article about the Brexit negotiations and what he thinks HMG's aims are.

 

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

The EU’s proposals on the Northern Ireland protocol offered what business leaders wanted, but the prime minister prefers failure and grievance

 

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I wonder whether part of the UK issue with current NI protocol, is that it is enabling a better trading environment between Ireland and Northern Ireland

 

 Northern Irish businesses have anticipated import/export issues with Great Britain, so now trade with Ireland or via Ireland.

 

Apparently reports are that some Northern Irish businesses have seen an increase in trade. It is only businesses that mostly sell British fresh produce that have been affected by border controls  and even then, they could swap to local produce.

 

Agree that UK Government are using argument with EU as a convenient distraction, but also there must be a worry about increased risk of a united Ireland, as a indirect consequence of Brexit.

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I've also seen it mentioned that the two parts of Ireland becoming closer is concerning HMG.

 

And that NI still coming under EU rules for trade could be showing that it's better to be in the EU than in Brexit Britain. If people start to think it shows Brexit isn't working, that's going to be a problem for Johnson et al.

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breaking:

 

In rumors of what some are calling a coup, Pritti Patel and Dominic Rabb are rumored to have used their new powers to interpret whatever they like however they like to declare the rest of the cabinet as hateful extremists to be dealt with under the new terror laws recently passed.

 

Many of the cabinet have simply vanished and are rumored to be on a transporter to Guantanamo bay, Now ex PM Johnson is alleged to have legged it deserting his wife and child(ren) and has reportedly been seen sleeping on the American consulate floor after having been refused asylum at the Russian consulate. This was alledgedly as a result of Pattel removed his UK citizenship (on the strength of him also having had US citizenship) when he escaped through a toilet window prior to his arrest, although others claim the picture was taken on his recent return from one of his many, many holidays

 

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 "Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “tinpot dictator” “mired in sleaze”

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“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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On 17/10/2021 at 09:05, Ethel Street said:

 

Mind you Rachel Johnson's a staunch Remainer and doesn't agree with most of what Boris says! 

 

 

Boris the liar was also a remainer until being a Brexiter became his route to power

 

 

14 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

Fintan O'Toole has an article about the Brexit negotiations and what he thinks HMG's aims are.

 

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

The EU’s proposals on the Northern Ireland protocol offered what business leaders wanted, but the prime minister prefers failure and grievance

 

 

 

Johnson and Frost (both previously remainers) are trying to force the EU into a corner:

Either give us cake and eat it everything, or YOU will have to impose a border in Ireland to protect the single market to stop us doing whatever we like with your border

 

What they fail to understand is that the EU have the mechanisms to allow all NI sourced goods into the market while blockading 99% of all UK sourced goods from the EU either through RoI or otherwise

It will cost the EU to do that, but it will put the UK back into the worst suez crisis scenario.

 

All that aside from Johnson the Liar and the Brexiters effectively forcing Ireland into unity apart from the minority 'loyalists' - and the potential for horror that holds - means nothing to Johnson and his Brexiters.

 

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“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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