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    • I've also seen it mentioned that the two parts of Ireland becoming closer is concerning HMG.   And that NI still coming under EU rules for trade could be showing that it's better to be in the EU than in Brexit Britain. If people start to think it shows Brexit isn't working, that's going to be a problem for Johnson et al.
    • You won't be able to bring a counterclaim unless you can produce a properly structured assessment of losses or costs or ancillary expenses and you will need to do this by producing at least written assessment et cetera as I have indicated above. Two of them would be much better. A court won't entertain a counterclaim simply based on your own speculation as to your possible costs. I understand very well that your preference would be to write off the entire job including all of the materials that were supplied and for you to recover your outlay for those materials but I think in order to do that you would have to show that you have acquired no value from those materials and once again I think that you would need an expert assessment which explained why the materials were completely wasted and that you would have to start from zero. You can be certain that the claimant will attempt to say that you have received value and in fact that the items which have been supplied or already installed can still be used. I'm afraid that because the attempt to arrange this contract as a cash only agreement inevitably invites the scepticism of the court, I think the court may well be open to consider arguments that the items which have already been supplied are of use to you. If you can get expert confirmation that the supplied materials are now of no use whatsoever, then you will also have to get a quote for uninstalling them and returning them to the claimant. This means that the whole thing is getting even more complicated. I do think that your best interests would be to discuss the matter with your new installer and to see what items which have been already supplied can be used to finish the project – and then to try and deal with the claimant in respect of those on the basis that the case would be withdrawn and everybody would walk away. I think it's time to start abandoning some of this rancour between you because it isn't helping and it won't impress anybody. Don't underestimate the disapproval that will be felt by the court when they get to know about the cash arrangement and this won't be helped by the fact that you then went ahead to try and get receipts. I understand very well that you say that you simply provided money and that in fact you were the purchaser of the items directly from the retailer – but there is no evidence for that and it would be an unusual arrangement and I think the court might express scepticism about that as well. I think we have to bear in mind your credibility in this – and I think that it is rather fragile at the moment. If you came up with a sensible business- like idea about how to put this one to bed and then put it to the claimant and also mention the fact that as he was involved in a cash only transaction, he also might find that he is incurring the displeasure of the court – particularly as he is the claimant, he might feel inclined to try and wrap it all up and bring it to an end. I think the next thing you must do is to get an expert report as I've already suggested above. You will need to do this anyway. If you don't have an expert report then even if you happen to win your argument that there is a breach of contract, the assessment of how much you win will be impossible for the court to decide. The court will absolutely want expert assessments. So you need an assessment as to the work which has been carried out so far and the work needed and costs involved to carry out the job. You need an assessment as to the usability or otherwise of the equipment which has been supplied. At least that for the moment. I don't think it is possible to do much more until you have this information. If you can get the information then we can decide what to do. Obviously I don't know anything about the subject, but I can't imagine that all of the equipment which has been supplied is useless. It could only be useless if you suddenly say that you want an entirely different system of gates – but on that matter, you are bound by your expectation in the contract and you would only be entitled to install a similar system using similar equipment.  
    • I wonder whether part of the UK issue with current NI protocol, is that it is enabling a better trading environment between Ireland and Northern Ireland.     Northern Irish businesses have anticipated import/export issues with Great Britain, so now trade with Ireland or via Ireland.   Apparently reports are that some Northern Irish businesses have seen an increase in trade. It is only businesses that mostly sell British fresh produce that have been affected by border controls  and even then, they could swap to local produce.   Agree that UK Government are using argument with EU as a convenient distraction, but also there must be a worry about increased risk of a united Ireland, as a indirect consequence of Brexit.
    • Fintan O'Toole has an article about the Brexit negotiations and what he thinks HMG's aims are.   Facing chaos and needing a scapegoat, the Tories seek an endless fight with Europe | Fintan O’Toole | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM The EU’s proposals on the Northern Ireland protocol offered what business leaders wanted, but the prime minister prefers failure and grievance  
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Johnson is more like a Private, or Corporal Clott out of the dandy

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Population of Northern Ireland is about 2 million and the population of the rest of the UK is about 65 million.

 

Any Government that makes a decision to break an international agreement to support a small percentage of a population, when the consequences could be runious to the majority, is clearly not thinking clearly. It would not be in the interests of Northern Ireland either, who would suffer more issues than they currently face.

 

I wonder whether Government are more concerned about the DUP losing support and a majority of people in Northern Ireland wanting to strengthen relationship with Dublin.  

 

There is a game being played and it has nothing to do with goods being delayed at the border in Belfast.

 

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I'm not sure what game you mean, UB, but it's certain that Northern Ireland is turning to the Republic and Europe for supplies that are difficult to get from Britain.

 

We're back to what Frost negotiated; if you want a hard Brexit, you have to have a border and if you can't have it on the island of Ireland, it has to be in the Irish sea. No, you can't put the border between Ireland and the EU.

 

If we'd stayed in the SM and CU, it wouldn't have been a problem and it was never an aim at the beginning of the process, until the ERG bullied Theresa May into changing the aims.

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Game is to support DUP, try to make EU plus Irish Government less popular and therefore hopefully stop move towards a united Ireland.

 

If after Brexit, it is more attractive for Northern Ireland to trade with Ireland, the trading links with rest of UK will start to reduce.  This then leads to more people supporting a united Ireland.

 

Can you remember during Brexit debate, the remain campaign stated they believed Brexit could lead to a united Ireland ? This was labelled as project fear.

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Yes, I'm old enough to remember the Brexit debate. :D   Project Fear or, to me, Project Here, seems to have been replaced by 'Stop talking the country down' as a way to close down a discussion.

 

I see what you mean about the game now - I'm not sure it's going to work though.

 

ETA: Trade is already way down with Ireland.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

Can you remember during Brexit debate, the remain campaign stated they believed Brexit could lead to a united Ireland ? This was labelled as project fear

My Belfast born husband, raised in a Unionist family, obtained his Irish passport soon after the Brexit vote if only to hedge bets.  A reunited Ireland didn't seem a million miles away.

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That was a good move, HT. A lot of people would envy your husband in the freedom of movement the passport gives him, amongst other things.

 

A friend of ours who voted to Leave, still applied for a Dutch passport, so he could keep his options open. They came back and said he couldn't have two monarchs and would have to choose whether he wanted to be Dutch or British. :D

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From France24. Good response from Macron.

 

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson told French President Emmanuel Macron on Friday that he wants to "re-establish cooperation", Macron's office said, amid a diplomatic crisis over a submarine contract with Australia.

 

In the conversation, which the Elysee said came at Johnson's request, the British prime minister said he hoped for cooperation "in line with our values and our common interests", such as the battle against climate change, securing the Indo-Pacific region and the fight against terrorism.

 

Macron told Johnson that "he is awaiting his proposals", his office said in a brief statement.

 

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210924-france-says-britain-s-johnson-offered-to-re-establish-cooperation-amid-submarine-dispute

 

 

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I'm sure we all await his proposals with baited breath.  We still have a global pandemic, the earth is melting, we face a winter of discontent, the figures for non covid related extra deaths are beyong depressing, shelves are empty in supermarkets already and every petrol station which still has fuel also has queues of cars stretching off the forecourt and down the street.

 

But it's OK because our esteemed leader has made it a priority that we buy apples in pounds and ounces again.

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Is it time for Labour to review their position on the UK relationship with the EU ?  Why not look to negotiate full single market access similar to Norway, with some free movement allowed. 

 

Boris's Brexit deal is flawed.  Labour should be looking to go into the next election with proposals to improve the way UK trades with the EU.

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wish they would. It seems Labour prefers not to mention Brexit in case it upsets potential voters. I still haven't worked out what Keir Starmer stands for. 

 

The only Labour MP I've seen go for it is David Lammy.

 

ETA: David Lammy on Question Time on Thursday.

 

 

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NI is actually doing very well in dealings with the RoI and are reaping the benefits the rest of us are missing.

No issues I am aware of that aren't addressed across the none-border with the RoI and EU - unlike the rest of us.

 

DUP?

Haven't they learned their lesson yet that johnson is entirely untrustworthy (he has betrayed them more than enough for anyone with sense to realise that) but e do need to take into account that the dup really doesn't have anywhere else to turn - rather like Johnson

 

and the only thing you can be sure of with Johnson is he will betray ANYone and EVERYone without a second thought.

 

"vacuous and economically illiterate" "Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

“veil of ignorance” "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

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“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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Here are David Allen Green's thoughts on issuing short term visas for lorry drivers and poultry workers.

 

I agree with what he's saying, particularly the part about visa applications. I did wonder if the Home Office would actually help with the process and how long it will take.

 

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Another question is whether EU drivers will want to come back after how they've been treated and made to feel by the UK government.

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Here are David Allen Green's thoughts on issuing short term visas for lorry drivers and poultry workers.

 

I agree with what he's saying, particularly the part about visa applications. I did wonder if the Home Office would actually help with the process and how long it will take.

 

Another question is whether EU drivers will want to come back after how they've been treated and made to feel by the UK government.

 

and who covers the cost, and will the pay make the effort worthwhile

by its very definition 'short term visas' gives little/no prospects to make personal investment of time/effort/money worthwhile ..

 

Might work with migratory farm workers ..

 

Might actually drive up EU driver pay?

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"vacuous and economically illiterate" "Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

“veil of ignorance” "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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2 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

Another question is whether EU drivers will want to come back after how they've been treated and made to feel by the UK government.

Plus the dreadful conditions and lack of facilities for HGV drivers in this country compared with mainland Europe. 

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“veil of ignorance” "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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5 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

Indeed, it sounds like a really tough life. HMG could provide proper trck stops to make things easier for them, but of course it means spending money.

 

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Unwanted European ****, we reluctantly announce that as long as you don't need to use any UK facilities including health care and toilets, you can come back and work for a pittance in horrible conditions until we decide to throw you out again at no notice.

 

up front non-refundable fee to enable you to be considered just £1500 .

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"vacuous and economically illiterate" "Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

“veil of ignorance” "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

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I've just got back from a 250 mile trip to find I cant fill up. I have another 160 mile trip tomorrow

Hope I can fill up on the way there or back. I JUST have enough fuel to complete it with a couple liters to spare provided theres no major hold ups. Supermarket shelves are half empty. The only Turkeys available for Christmas are in parliament (or are skiving off while still undoubtedly claiming expenses)

 

Johnsons Britain

Literally back to the days of the Suez crisis

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"vacuous and economically illiterate" "Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

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“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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