Boris Johnson, former Prime Minister

[honeybee13]

Thoughts on the PM's position from Katy Balls of the Spectator.

 

Tory MPs are defending their leader. But what if Johnson is fined again – and again? | Katy Balls | The Guardian

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A hostile reaction in constituencies coupled with bad results in the local elections is likely to spark recriminations, says Katy Balls, the Spectator’s...

 

[brassnecked]

This one from @HorneBig on Twitter says it all.

"Will Johnson resign? is the big question, well what do you think?

I know what I think, it has something to do with porcine airborn projectiles .... !"

 

Dave Horne is a bit of a cartoonist.

 

 

[unclebulgaria67]

Very powerful update from Led by Donkeys.

 

 

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

so why have Johnson and Sunak apparently only received 50 quid fines?

 

"A solicitor's daughter received a fixed penalty notice (FPN) in March while in halls of residence at the University of Nottingham.

 

Jane, who did not want to share her surname, told the BBC her daughter was visiting another flat for a "get together" with eight others.

She said all nine had previously tested positive for Covid-19 and were "playing cards and listening to smooth jazz".

Then the police entered the flat shouting "where is everyone?", according to Jane.

She said they were "aggressive and overbearing".

Those who did not live in the flat then returned to their own residences - but were still issued with £100 fines, rising to £200 if paid late.

 

 

 

So why is quietly playing cards and listening to some jazz with 8 people a greater offense than booze, games, breaking kids slides etc with 20-100 people??

[honeybee13]

The Telegraph thinks the PM has another fine on the way. Just how many times can he be found to have broken the law and stay in office?

 

 

[unclebulgaria67]

Speculation is that Boris could have been investigated about 6 parties he allegedly attended.

 

And if Boris is subject to several more fines, surely Tory MP's will decide that he has to be replaced ?

[honeybee13]

That's what I was saying UB. And they haven't talked about the party in the no11 flat yet.

 

Surely they aren't going to say he's already apologised for this and that we should move on? You can start to see what Peston meant about it being a political crisis.

 

I see there's a vote on Wednesday on whether a parliamentary committee should investigate if he's lied to the House. I don't see there being enough rebels at the moment plus they don't seem to have a plan for replacing the PM.

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

and at long last wimpy hoyle is possibly supporting a possible investigation into a contempt of parliament charge against Johnson the corrupt liar, or maybe just a debate about it ...

About bl***y time.

 

and there is caines, and demonics leaving/exorcism doo'doo's yet

[honeybee13]

 I'm sure the Speaker could do a lot more, TJ. You've got the ludicrous situation where the PM lies to the House and then any MP who points this out and uses the word 'liar' is removed from the chamber.

 

The Guardian has an article on how Johnsons's damage limitation operation works. We already know some of it but it's a good summary. 'Lie, deny, move on.'

 

They could have added 'distract' which could be why Patel has gone to Rwanda. Big announcement due on refugees today to cheer up the hardliners. Will they still remember it when fines for parties rather than cake are announced though? It seems a lot of people didn't expect Johnson would be fined for the Cake episode.

 

And there is talk on Twitter of more fines for Sunak.

 

ETA: Article

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/13/how-boris-johnsons-damage-limitation-operation-works

 

[tobyjugg2]

More fines for Sunak could be very interesting if true.

He wanted and no doubt still wants to be PM, but wouldn't want to leave under a cloud - that wouldn't do much for his future ambitions.

 

More fines, depending on the circumstances, means he'll likely be seen as a corrupt entitled liar like Johnson, rather than basically honest if hard right entitled Tory .. which was arguable and a widely held perception.

 

.. MAYBE he was just waiting for these others to appear before resigning to strike at Johnson hardest, although i doubt that. It will be about what he can make the best for him ...

 

All depends on the circumstances of any future fines. I could accept that he went to see Johnson on business and was 'roped in' the once. But more than once 'roped in' shows a total lack of basic political competence.

 

Johnson will continue to hang on grimly - he's likely got a complete sh*t show of charges lined up against him when hes deposed. or at least he certainly should have.

and Starmer needs to harden up and press. He may be a better option than Johnson, mind you even Truss or Gove probably is, and tugendhat certainly is but Starmer NOT impressive at all.

 

I see GB news and the BrEx-press are trying to generate a 'sunak should be recalled' movement. Interesting that they haven't been doing that for the many many many Johnsonson lies and antics

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[honeybee13]

Have I misunderstood the new immigration plan?

 

Refugees will be met on arrival by the army (who I'm sure have plenty of time for this in amongst all the other domestic stuff they're meant to be doing) and all the single men will be shipped to Rwanda while their applications for asylum are considered. Or told to apply for asylum in Rwanda?

 

I can see it could be a deterrent, given Rwanda's human rights issues, but is it legal? Also, even if it is, some people think it will be very expensive.

[honeybee13]

Of course this could be a distraction from the greased piglet's partygate problems but it must have been expensive to send Patel to Kigali in the royal - I mean government - plane.

[tobyjugg2]

While we are on about shipping around the world and britcoin/freeports

 

Consider

 

P&O have just broken UK law by firing those staff (that the populist scumbags knew all about that last year we'll put aside for the moment)

P&O said they had to do this or collapse.

 

P&O is detailed as one of the major sponsers of UK freeports as mentioned higher, despite having to break UK law allegedly to prevent the company folding despite all the side funding of this that and the other.

 

So we have a company literally claiming to be on the brink of collapse, breaking UK employment law, and are major partners in the UK freeport schemes ...

Perhaps being willing to break UK law is a requirement for freeport partner/major investor status?

Surely being on the brink of bankruptcy isnt?

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

re above

 

P&O Ferries owner to benefit from at least £50m of UK freeport scheme | P&O Ferries | The Guardian

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Dubai-based DP World runs shipping terminals at Southampton and London Gateway

 

Scotland is giving them a battering re freeports there, and P&O owner DP world has pulled out/been pushed out of some apparently - for now anyway.

[honeybee13]

Here's Marine Le Pen saying how well Brexit is going for 'global Brighton'.

 

 

[honeybee13]

Hauliers aren't happy with the post-Brexit arrangements for goods crossing the Channel.

 

Chris Blackhurst | Haulier shortage encapsulates the trade disaster of Brexit

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As the trade realities of being a non-EU member kick in many businesses face losing customers if they cannot provide reliable delivery services...

 

[tobyjugg2]

21 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

Here's Marine Le Pen saying how well Brexit is going for 'global Brighton'.

 

 

 

Well, she's obvious understanding how well being a liar has done for Johnsons hopes of power

[tobyjugg2]

According to The Times, which says the PM wants the first flight to leave within weeks (just in time for the May local elections), it will cost the taxpayer an eyewatering £30,000 to send each migrant 6,000 miles away to Africa.

Priti Patel, the home secretary, claimed the cost of the scheme is a “drop in the ocean”    

... of the taxpayer money that Johnson government has wasted

 

Plus

 

 

The PM has promised to address parliament next week about his fine for breaching Covid laws to “set the record straight in any way that I can”  ... get away with

 

Edited April 17, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

"Boris Johnson will “have his say” on partygate in Parliament this week, a minister said today, as Labour tore into fresh revelations that a gathering at Downing Street turned into a leaving party only after the prime minister allegedly started pouring drinks.

 

The Sunday Times reported the prime minister’s official photographer had captured Mr Johnson holding a beer at the gathering, and chancellor Rishi Sunak with a soft drink, at the event on 13 November 2020.

 

“He said he wanted to say a few words for Lee [Cain] and started pouring drinks for people and drinking himself,” a source told the newspaper.

 

Energy minister Greg Hands confirmed Mr Johnson  will be speaking to Parliament this week about the scandal and “will out-lie his version of events."

 

(apologies for minor Freudian transcription errors)

 

 

Boris Johnson to give ‘his version of events’ in Commons this week - live

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The prime minister reportedly led the leaving party for his communications director

 

[honeybee13]

 

I think tomorrow's effort to clear things up will end up being a whitewash, TJ. Meanwhile, Patel has lashed out at the archbishop/s who have disagreed with the Rwanda policy. Not a good look.

 

I read a survey earllier, not sure where now, that found a huge percentage of Brits now think the PM is a liar.

 

There was an interesting item on BBC Broadcasting House this weekend. Lord (Peter) Hennessy, leading scolar of the constitution, read out his diary entry for 12th April when the PM appeared to apologise but said he wasn't resigning. Well said Lord Hennessy.

 

Boris Johnson has 'shredded the ministerial code' over Partygate

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Lord Hennessy has accused the prime minister of causing a 'constitutional crisis' by not resigning.

 

[brassnecked]

He's on borrowed time its just that they haven't got a suitable monkey to replace him

Politics: gone but not just yet | Turbulent Times

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Try as he might, Johnson has been unable to make “partygate” go away. The Sunday Times (paywall) kicked off over the weekend with a long...

 

[honeybee13]

Thank you for the link, BN, it's a while since I read Richard North.

[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, honeybee13 said:

 

I think tomorrow's effort to clear things up will end up being a whitewash, TJ. Meanwhile, Patel has lashed out at the archbishop/s who have disagreed with the Rwanda policy. Not a good look.

 

 

They aren't coming up with alternatives she moaned

 

.. err, there are/were proper legitimate procedures in place, just like there were legitimate options to send EU 'migrants who didn't work back to their country of origin (well there was while we were part of the EU),

- its her and Johnsons' plans to sink the boats and send people to Rwanda that are the unlawful and immoral populist 'alternatives'

[tobyjugg2]

Security experts find spyware on No 10 phone - follow live

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Several No 10 mobile phones, including Boris Johnson‘s, were tested after a 2020 breach

 

[tobyjugg2]

I see they couldn't find at least some of the phones the spyware was installed on - so they must have been the ones all the dodgy dealings were done on which were 'broken' or 'lost' when inquiries asked for them when there was nothing on the official phones they should have been doing gov business on rather than private phones ....

... Which leads one to think that the (alleged) UAE and their pal Russia probably have all sorts of blackmail material on the ministers, spads and un-elected  bureaucrats like Frost involved ...

 

... in addition to any dodgy dealings dirt given to Putin by the oligarchs involved in funding Johnsons populists

 

 

"“The Queen’s first minister is now beyond doubt a rogue prime minister, unworthy of her, her parliament, her people, and her kingdom."

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