Boris Johnson, former Prime Minister

[unclebulgaria67]

My guess is that most Tory backbenchers and most who voted Tory in 2019, do not want an extreme hard Brexit implemented,  and do not want  reduced employment rights, privatisation of parts of the NHS ,reduced regulatory standards etc.

 

General Election is due in 2024 and it is not very often a divided party is elected. 

 

Labour have a divided party, but ahead of an election, I suspect that they will come together as one party. I am not sure whether the Tories can unite behind a shared vision of the future for the UK.

 

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

Without recalls of the Mps from the Conservative party local groups, which will generate a by-election and quite possible Labour or lib-dem win so will not happen, we are all largely powerless

[honeybee13]

That's the thing isn't it, UB? They bang on about being elected and that voters can have their say, but it only happens every four years or so. 

 

If Patel's plan works out, voters won't be able to demonstrate to show what they think.

[tobyjugg2]

And even if they do, then ministers will be able to r overrule the courts

(mostly initially useful for getting their mates off, but will no doubt expand to everything)

[honeybee13]

Reactions from Europe. There doesn't seem to be any love lost in Brussels for Frost. Heaven help us, he wants to make a career in politics and not just in the Lords.

 

I dread to think who the replacement is likely to be who could make things even worse. Rees Smug?

 

France urges Johnson to use Frost’s exit to rebuild trust with EU | European Union | The Guardian

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Minister for the EU Clément Beaune admits to difficult relationship with ex-Brexit minister and calls for a reset

 

[tobyjugg2]

I see truss is taking over from Frost, clever move of johnson to give the EU all it wants while being able to blame someone else for a 'grate deal'

Australian trade minister rumored to have muttered a santa saying (Ho Ho HO) after hearing the news

 

 

Liz Truss takes over Brexit talks after Lord Frost resignation - live

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Foreign secretary Liz Truss is to take over Lord Frost’s responsibility for the UK’s future relations with the EU, Downing Street said.

 

Edited December 19, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Maybe he's setting her up to fail, UB? Although it going wrong by May byelections time is a bit ambitious.

 

And the evidence keeps on coming, although it doesn't seem to be convincing enough for the Met.

 

Boris Johnson and staff pictured with wine in Downing Street garden in May 2020 | Boris Johnson | The Guardian

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Exclusive: photograph raises fresh questions for No 10 after denial of a social event at time of Covid restrictions

There's also a rumour about a dozen or so more videos of Allegra Stratton practicing press conferences and it's thought that one featuring questions about the PM's private life could be about to appear.

[tobyjugg2]

The only downside to Johnson is if (LOL) she achieves a 'deal with the EU that is acceptable to the hard brexiters, and the only way she could tell them that is by lying to them. - or she goes all out and declares breakdown of all negotiations and fires off a full blown sanctions trade war with the biggest, nearest trade group in the world.

 

That would satisfy the hard Brexiters, but are they even yet a majority in the 'con party?

[tobyjugg2]

come on everybody, big cheer for EU workers saving UK Christmas

- especially (ex?) Brexiters

 

 

‘We are strongmen’: Polish workers help bring UK its Christmas turkeys | Food & drink industry | The Guardian

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Despite Brexit and Covid, foreign workers take up government’s emergency visa scheme

 

[tobyjugg2]

I see Johnson 'the corrupt liar' is still trying to claim that Jolly was a 'business meeting'

must have been very important as he doesn't bother attending Cobra meetings

 

so:

1. Where is the documentation and minutes for this official business meeting

2. Why are they not together in this meeting as they seem to be groups at separate tables with groups drinking etc

3. Why is Johnsons' missus at this official business meeting, sat down with him?  (seems to be her - possibly with a baby in her arms)

 

 

Boris Johnson and staff pictured with wine in Downing Street garden in May 2020 | Boris Johnson | The Guardian

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Exclusive: photograph raises fresh questions for No 10 after denial of a social event at time of Covid restrictions

 

 

PM skips COBRA meeting as decisions over Xmas restrictions go unmade

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Nicola Sturgeon said it was "disappointing and frustrating that neither the PM nor the chancellor" bothered to turn up.

 

[tobyjugg2]

I've just looked again - more closely

Its not a baby - its that dog isn't it?

[brassnecked]

Yes deffo looks like the hound

[honeybee13]

They're never going to back down over the 'it wasn't a party, people were wearing suits' etc, are they? They don't think the public deserve an explanation and I think they'll just move on if they can.

 

If there are more photos though and more videos of Allegra Stratton turn up...

[tobyjugg2]

I cant see most police forces enforcing any lockdown  (except maybe Derbyshire) just like shops aren't enforcing mask wearing

- apart from real taking the p*** infringements like group parties ...

Oh they aren't doing those either are they as long as they don't arrive before its done (in the past)?

We'd just finished officer - jog on

 

Looks like they'll be reduced to stopping people seeing their Grandmas or going for socially distanced walks .. again?

... and even then you just need to take a set of darts and a couple of beers, and stand up if you hate Johnson ....

Edited December 21, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Johnson the Liar choosing liars to defend and whitewash his lying

 

"Mr Case provided officials with assurances that he had not participated in and had no knowledge of any social gatherings, the Independent understands, despite being later forced to admit that he was aware of at least one gathering."

 

"Sources had described an event in mid-December with prosecco and wine in the waiting room of the cabinet secretary’s office. Mr Case was seen carrying a glass as he wandered “in and out” of the event and greeted staff, they alleged."

 

 

Top civil servant accused of misleading officials over Christmas party knowledge

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Exclusive: Simon Case, cabinet secretary, assured colleagues he was unaware of any gathering or social activity in his office, The Independent...

 

Edited December 21, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[brassnecked]

he has lied so much TJ he wouldn't know the truth if it ran him over with a 40 tonne truck.

[honeybee13]

I had a thought earlier about whether Carrie Antoinette has signed the Official Secrets Act if she's able to just sit in on these 'work gatherings'.

[brassnecked]

It does make you wonder HB, Princess Nut-Nut aka Carrie Antionette seems to be exerting an undue malign influence in No 10.

[theoldrouge]

The current Mrs Johnson and her barmy ideas are the root cause of  many of the useful idiots problems 

[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, brassnecked said:

he has lied so much TJ he wouldn't know the truth if it ran him over with a 40 tonne truck.

 

There is no response. Some say 'all politicians are liars' - but that seems to me to be mainly to excuse their own 'politicians' extreme and constant lying

 

There is a difference between

* being genuinly mistaken

* withholding information for nation security reasons

* Using national security as an excuse to withhold information

* putting a spin on something aka 'lying for those who would prefer to be honest and still have at least some shame'

* constant lying through their teeths whenever they think a lie will suite their purposes best (populisms heartland)

* Johnsonesque pathological liars who would rather lie or ramble meaningless doodoo than let an honest word pass their lips

 

 

You know, everytime I write something about Johnson, no matter how 'strong' ... I quickly realise its considerably understated.

Edited December 21, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[unclebulgaria67]

Politics is the art of selling a turd sometimes ! Keeping enough people happy to stay in power.

 

Call it lies or call it a version of the truth or call it mis-direction by providing an answer that does not relate to the question.

 

It is all part of the game.  And Boris had a simple game, a bit like Trump, in provoking enough people to feel bitter about the state of the country which affected qualify of life. 

 

Boris is still using slogans for everything e.g. Build back better. The way Covid strategy has been sloganised and every PMQ's contains a list of slogan answers from Boris.

 

Problem with the game Boris is playing, is that slogans don't answer the important questions people have. 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

 

Johnsons verbal sewage is not politics, or selling a turd however unpolished, those are the ones i described above him, and what you describe ended at the one above him,

Things like you seem to be saying are just excuses for the worst of them, and are themselves inexcusable IMO.

 

Trouble is, lie for convenience, even when its clearly blatant lies has become the norm with Johnsons examples.

BUT Johnson is even beyond that. Its not even convenience. Hes just a pathological liar.

[tobyjugg2]

About bl***y time

Call Stratton and all the met officers on duty as witnesses, then Prosecute Dick alongside Johnson for criminality in public office

 

Concerns over police response to alleged No 10 party referred to watchdog

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Lady Jones had said there is a ‘case to answer’ for the Met.

 

Edited December 22, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Good for her. In the meantime, I see the Met has referred itself to the 'regulator', I forget the name.

 

Some people, including me, think it's a way to kick it into the long grass. Maybe Jolyon's prospective court case will keep them focussed.

[tobyjugg2]

Perhaps better than just ignoring it HB

as long as pressure is maintained

 

Shooting Johnson plans for early election before all his sewage really hits the fan though.

His chances of scamming an extension or even scamming maintaining office are quite rightly  getting thinner by the moment

 

Edited December 22, 2021 by tobyjugg2