Israel/Gaza - UK Politicians reponse to current situation

[Conniff]

A sitting British Labour MP

LABOUR'S John McDonnell has urged protesters in London at a pro-Palestinian march

to effectively ignore the Israeli ceasefire in Gaza and continue their campaign against

"the Israeli apartheid state".

How disgusting is this.

He should be arrested and charged with Anti-semitic hatred and Incitement to Violence.

If proof was ever needed of anti-semitism in the Labour Party, this is it, there can be no denial.

[tobyjugg2]

 

51 minutes ago, Conniff said:

 

Are you actually supporting Israel CON ? - and there was me thought you were a holocaust denier

Please clarify you acknowledge the reality of and monstrous inhumanity and criminality of the holocaust.

 

and that you also condemn :

 UK government supporting Israeli right to defend itself using British armament to bomb and machine gun civilian City

"Bombing raids on the Palestinian territory began on 10 May and only halted on Friday after killing over 232 people, including 65 children."

The British military hardware used in Israel’s bombardment of Gaza

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/israel-gaza-uk-arms-exports-airstrikes-b1851734.html

 

 

Edited May 23, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[unclebulgaria67]

Doubt that I will see any real peace in the Middle East in my life time.

 

As world stops being so reliant on oil, I can see tensions just growing. 

 

Going back to the topic of this thread,  UK will have to export more defence products, to make up for the deficit in other trade. Therefore, I can see a looser licencing regime, with sales of some items, which have previously been difficult to justify. 

 

 

 

 

[Conniff]

You really are weird, what the hell has Hitler got to do with your beloved Labour making an Anti-semitic hatred speech and Inciting Violence.

 

As you haven't said a single word against what he said it can only be taken that you agree with him and are also anit-semitic.

[honeybee13]

Do you agree with what Israel is doing in Gaza, Conniff?

[Conniff]

Stop trying to draw me into it.

 

[honeybee13]

3 hours ago, Conniff said:

Stop trying to draw me into it.

 

 

Is this directed at me? It seemed like a reasonable question to me.

[Conniff]

I don't think you are man [edited] and no it is not reasonable, what has it to do with a sitting Labour politician shouting anti-semitic drivel and inciting violence ?

Sorry didn't notice the poster, so yes this is directed at you

 

[honeybee13]

I've edited out my initial in your post, Conniff. I don't use your real name or initial, so please don't use mine on the forum.

 

This is a discussion thread so when you posted about John McDonnell, it's not an unreasonable assumption that you wanted to be part of the discussion.

 

Not agreeing with what Israel is doing doesn't mean that people are anti-semitic and I worry that the word is being used to close down debate in various quarters.

[Conniff]

Apologies, it wasn't done deliberately.

 

[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, Conniff said:

Stop trying to draw me into it.

 

You raised the point CON

and I see you still haven't condemned the violence on both sides as I HAVE and do

you simply seem to have used these atrocious events and actions on both sides to attack a Corbynista

 

.. AND you still haven't confirmed you aren't a holocaust denier - so lets see an unequivocal condemnation of the holocaust and deniers from you.

 

- its quite simple CON - all you have to do is acknowledge that the holocaust occurred and was a monstrous act

- you dont even have to mention any support of Palestinians or Israel - simple basic human decency will do.

 

Edited May 23, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[Conniff]

My post was NOT about condemning or supporting anyone but to bring to light the disgusting Labour Party and their Antisemitism and racist attitude. 

Read my lips, it's about what labour said and their beliefs, nothing to do with Hitler and what happened 80 years ago.

 

If I condemn anyone it's the **** in the Labour Party.

 

Edited May 23, 2021 by Conniff

[tobyjugg2]

Still cant get a condemnation of the holocaust and its deniers past your lips eh? CON

 

 

[Conniff]

Are you really that stupid, how many times do I have to say it, my post has nothing to do with World War 2

[tobyjugg2]

But your post is about you

 

So if you cant or wont condemn the holocaust and its deniers as any even half way decent human being (or at least none racist bigot) would, how about condemning Johnsons government that are supplying arms to bomb civilian cities?

 

[barns66]

ANTI-ANTISEMITISM  AND ANTI- ZIONISM ARE TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS.END OF STORY.

[Conniff]

11 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

But your post is about you

 

So if you cant or wont condemn the holocaust and its deniers as any even half way decent human being (or at least none racist bigot) would, how about condemning Johnsons government that are supplying arms to bomb civilian cities?

 

[edited - HB]  My post is about John McDonnell representing the Labour party making anti-semitic and racist public speech.

 

[tobyjugg2]

No CON

It seems quite clear you are making yourself look like the sort of [edited - HB] who cant let a condemnation of their own prejudices pass their lips, and who fuels these sort of issues on both sides and elsewhere.

 

I can condemn atrocities on all sides - you just seem to want to use them for your own ends.

 

[honeybee13]

14 minutes ago, barns66 said:

ANTI-ANTISEMITISM  AND ANTI- ZIONISM ARE TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS.END OF STORY.

 

Excellent point, barns66.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36160928

[honeybee13]

I've edited a couple of posts. Please let's not descend into personal insults and value judgements.

[Conniff]

Ok,  some yes and no questions:

 

Does my post mention John McDonnell ?

Does my post mention anything about Hitler and WW2 ?

Does my post mention anything about anything other than John McDonnell making an anti-semitic and racist public speech ?

 

You can only answer yes/no/yes, end of.

 

Now stop showing the obvious fool you are and trying to get one up because your beloved Labour has been caught out.

[Conniff]

5 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

 

Excellent point, barns66.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36160928

What's that got to do with anything, why is it a good point. ?

[honeybee13]

The difference between anti-semitism and anti-Zionism.

[tobyjugg2]

Some yes and no questions CON

 

1. Was the holocaust both real and an atrocity against Jews?

2. Is Israeli Bombing of Gaza an atrocity?

3. Is supplying arms to a nation that bombs civilians an atrocity?

 

[Conniff]

1 minute ago, honeybee13 said:

The difference between anti-semitism and anti-Zionism.

No one has mentioned anything about zionism