PCM/Trace/Gladstone 2*PCN's - ignored everything - Residential Parking - now gladstones letter

[munksey2001]

Hello, I have sent the SAR had no response as of yet. Just wanted to double check the reference I used was the car registration so hoping I got this right and also I put the dates in which I purchased the car and sold the car? Is this correct also? Quote below from letter.

 

"Please note that I require disclosure of any personal data which you hold on the above vehicle for the entire period between the dates 02/01/2017 to 31/05/2019"

 

As soon as I hear anything I will let you know. I sent direct to PCM LTD to address that was on their website.

[FTMDave]

The fleecers have a month to answer, so it's not surprising you haven't had a reply yet.

 

I would have simply asked for all personal data without including dates,, as a lot of the threats they'll have sent you will have been after you sold the car and indeed continue up to the present day.  The data is on you, not the vehicle.

 

However, that's not fatal, what is most important is to find out how many of these tickets they've issued and if they respected the POFA time frame when they sent them out.

[Homer67]

The only document from them that requires attention is a Letter Before Action sometimes titled Letter Before Claim and that means you have to send a snotty letter in response to show these iditots that you won't be conned into paying their fake charges.

 

The fact that you have supremacy of contract means they don't stand a chance if they were stupid enough to go to court.

 

 

Just don't throw anything else out that they send you as it all provides information.

 

[munksey2001]

So I have received a response from PCM and will upload now they also sent me the pcn charges photos and letters they have sent to me. 

pcm.pdf

[FTMDave]

Please post up the PCNs (any follow-up threatening letters aren't really important).

 

We need to see how many PCNs there are, and the dates they were sent.

[FTMDave]

How many PCNs are there in total?

 

Please redact and upload the ones issued on 05.04.19 & 22.04.19.

 

 

[munksey2001]

They confirmed there is only 2 I will upload tmrw but unsure how to delete the information out appropriately? 

[FTMDave]

Well that's good news they are only two.

 

If you click on upload a guide will pop up to explain everything.

[lookinforinfo]

To redact your information  you can cut out pieces of paper to cover your name etc. Please do not redact dates and times.

[munksey2001]

PCN issued on windscreen ..: 22/04/2019

Notice to Keeper: Date of posting of this notice: 23/05/2019

                                Date this notice is given: 28/05/2019

 

Keeper Liability Notice: Date of posting of this notice: 20/06/2019

                                          Date this notice is given: 24/06/2019

 

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PCN issued on windscreen ..: 05/04/2019

Notice to Keeper: Date of posting this notice: 09/05/2019

                                Date this notice is given: 13/05/2019

 

Keeper Liability Notice: Date of posting this notice: 06/06/2019

                                          Date this notice is given: 10/06/2019

 

Both I have been sent photographic evidence along with case report details which I presume is them putting my Car reg in to obtain my name and address.

 

Please let me know if you need any further info.

 

Thank you so much for all your help everyone. 

 

 

[dx100uk]

we need to SEE them hence why we ask for things in one mass PDF file

read our upload <<Clickme guide carefully please 

[munksey2001]

I have attached the pdf copies. Thank you

 

Please find attached and thank you again for your help

 

 

PCNs etc.pdf

[dx100uk]

done it for you

 

dx

 

[dx100uk]

so i will guess the hanging plastic bag contains your parking permit?

the PCN's/NTK appear correctly timed.

not alot PCM can do here at all

 

just don't ignore a letter of claim

comeback here 

 

 

 

 

[munksey2001]

if I get a letter of claim from Gladstone as PCM said they are not dealing with it any more it’s been passed to Gladstone, if I get this I need to come back here ASAP!

Is there anything I need to be prepared for or prepare before hand? 

 

 

 

[FTMDave]

Well done on the work you've put in, you've found out that there are only two PCNs and that the fleecers have respected the legal framework for once.

 

The fact remains you have Supremacy of Contract so you don't owe a bean.

 

BTW, being "passed to Gladstones" just means that every month or so PCM send a list of drivers who are still not paying and Gladstones send out a standard letter for a few quid.  Not exactly the height of legal wizardry.

 

Don't do anything now till a Letter Before Claim arrives.

 

There's nothing precise to do, but read a few residential parking threads and the articles on Supremacy of Contract on the Parking Prankster's blog, so you know how this all works.

[munksey2001]

Thank you so much for your help I will have a look for these threads and read up. Thank you for taking the time to help me out and for your patience

[munksey2001]

Hi everyone I’m back as I received a letter before claim today for the 2 parking fines. They’ve added on £60 for the letters sent etc. If you could help let me know what to do next it would be great help thank you 

[FTMDave]

The fleecers send these letters hoping the motorist will be terrified of the idea of court and will cough up or else won't reply and they can sneak through a default judgement.

 

You need to answer and show you would be big trouble for them if they did do court.

 

Use our search function to search for "snotty letter" on this part of the forum, and you'll soon get the idea.

 

There is an example in drew57's thread which is also a Gladstones one.

[dx100uk]

So they are claiming they are fines?

[munksey2001]

They state they feel they have enough evidence to win? Has anyone got a link to the letter template or the thread that can help me as I’m searching but it’s only my showing threads with the word Letter on and only my thread when I search for drew57. Thank you for your quick responses 

[FTMDave]

Adapt the letter in post 32 here  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/439586-futuregladstones-anpr-pcn-paploc-funfair-bridge-st-stourport-on-severn-worcs/page/2/#comments

 

The Letter Before Claim did come from Gladstones, didn't it?

[munksey2001]

Yes it come from Gladstone’s 

 

so I will amend details but must make sure it states the CPR 27.14(2)(g) part?

 

and do I do recorded or just free post office proof? 

[FTMDave]

I'm tweaking the snotty letter as yours is a residential parking case and slightly different to drew57's.  Just one question first.  How much do Gladstones want?

 

Is it £100 + £100 + £60 invented costs = £260?

 

Or £100 + £100 + £60 + £60 = £320?  I suspect the latter.

[brassnecked]

Residential Parking has other avenues to challenge, so a tweaked letter will be more effective.