Backdoor VCS windscreen DYL with BB PCN - Salford quays

[Larissamj]

Hi, I’ve just checked my credit score and found that there is a court judgment on there, from October 2020.  
 

It’s listed to my old address (not lived there since mid 2017) and I’ve had no notification of it whatsoever, nor do I know what it’s even for or who from.

 

is there any way I can get this removed, or at least find out more about what it is?

 

thanks! 

[dx100uk]

ring northants bulk

and ask for a copy of the judgement CCJ and the claimform

9/10 they wont have a copy of the claimform so get them to read out the address the claimform was sent too AND the particulars of claim.

RECORD YOUR CALL.

 

then comeback with those details here 

 

[Larissamj]

Thanks will do.  However just been told there’s a wait for 25mins, so I’ll phone first thing tomorrow and hope it’s less.

 

They did say on the recording that they need the case number, but I obviously don’t have any details, will they be able to search? 

[AndyOrch]

You should be able to get the claim number by searching here....there is a small fee.

 

https://www.trustonline.org.uk/?gclid=Cj0KCQiApY6BBhCsARIsAOI_GjZ-SDJtNUZDUM62TeLookjib0FPF0bhBVfCV6lO3koaQ8DoL8RKhs4aAhRsEALw_wcB

 

 

[dx100uk]

claim number should be listed on your credit file 

[Larissamj]

Hi, court are emailing over the details.

 

it was from a vehicle control services.  My car was parked on double yellow lines, with a valid blue badge.  This was before I moved, so all correspondence went to the old address. 
 

The court clerk said that I can either pay it in full (£185) or instalments or I can pay £255 to go before a judge to try and get it removed, but with no guarantees that it will removed.

 

I’m guessing that there’s no point in contacting vehicle control services? 

[dx100uk]

retitled moved to private parking forum.

 

no such thing as DYL's on private land ..mere tarmac graffiti .

BB's mean nothing on private property.

 

where was this car park/road, do you know yet?

and when was the speculative invoice issued ?

we know most of the VCS sites off by heart here

 

so you moved in 2017 and upto that point had had no correspondence, even if binned from VCS?

 

[Larissamj]

It was in 2016, in Salford quays. 
 

I remember the day, because we were handed the ticket and spoke with the guy who’d issued it.  

He said it was completely no parking, even with  a blue badge.
 

There was a no parking sign, but it was very ambiguous, because it was on a paved pedestrian spot, further up, which made it look like it was just there that was no parking.  

I was parked on the road.

I did take photos, but haven’t found them yet.  

There was also a few other cars parked there too, so it wasn’t obvious that we were on private land and thought normal blue badge rules would apply.
 

This was a year before we moved and I do remember getting something through the post, but with it being so long ago, I’m a bit sketchy.  

 

I can’t have received much or I would remember more. 

I definitely wouldn’t have ignored it though, because I was adamant that I was going to contest it, due to the ambiguous signage, so more than likely sent off the template private parking letter.

 

I remember at the time, thinking it was almost staged, so that they could catch people out.  

Now with you saying the DYL’s are “mere graffiti”, even more so.  It just looked like a normal road.

[brassnecked]

Almost staged, with VCS it definitely was staged with dodgy signage and misinterpretation of the rules. If you pay it it remains on your credit file until October 2026, paying will just get a Satisfied marker that doesn't help credit score in any way.

When you get the particulars of claim and how the sum is made up post it up here, as they likely added Unicorn Food Tax fee to the claim which if suing a Keeper is a no no.

[dx100uk]

can you give us the google nosey neighbours link to exactly where you parked please

VCS parking @ Salford quays are well know to us but operate several sites there.

 

paying the CCJ wont remove it sadly..

and at present i cant see a set aside reason. nor a defence...which is the only way to remove the CCJ via an N244@£255

[FTMDave]

In normal times a set aside hearing is easy, just 15 minutes in front of a judge.

 

At the moment it will be even easier - just 15 minutes on the phone to a judge.

 

However, it will set you back £255.

 

As dx says, the judge will want to know

   - (a) why you didn't defend the case when you had the chance to

   - (b) some idea of how you intend to defend the case now.

 

(b) is easy, you've already mentioned the dodgy signage, and there will be loads of other reasons we can dig up.  The problem will be (a).  What happened here?  Did you move without informing VCS although you knew you were in legal dispute with them?  Did the court papers turn up at your old address so VCS won by default when you didn't defend?

[Larissamj]

Took a photo off google earth.  It was the turning circle near Lowry centre. 
 

We were roughly parked, where I’ve marked in red and the signage (although I can’t spot it on this photo) was somewhere around where I’ve marked in blue.  So we assumed it meant no parking on that bit and as you can see from the photo, there is a van on that bit.

 

Sorry, struggling to put photo up properly, bear with....

 

Parking Salford quays .pdf

Edited February 11, 2021 by Larissamj

[brassnecked]

Isn't it easier to get Set Aside where default to old address since there was that outcry on DCA's doing that?  If was Private land and signage included Disabled Drivers,,and it was reasonable for them to park there, might be classed as Failure to make Reasonable Adjustment under Equalities Act 2010. That is just one extra option if needed.  The team might well find other isues with VCS case.

[dx100uk]

check the obv guys that this isnt port of authority land (byelaws)

and i believe if my history is correct this used to be excel signs up not VCS.

see an old thread here for Salford quays

[Larissamj]

On 11/02/2021 at 11:30, FTMDave said:

As dx says, the judge will want to know

   - (a) why you didn't defend the case when you had the chance to

   - (b) some idea of how you intend to defend the case now.

 

(b) is easy, you've already mentioned the dodgy signage, and there will be loads of other reasons we can dig up.  The problem will be (a).  What happened here?  Did you move without informing VCS although you knew you were in legal dispute with them?  Did the court papers turn up at your old address so VCS won by default when you didn't defend?

The court papers must’ve  turned up at my old house and they won by default.
 

I moved a year after the parking date.  So yes, with hindsight, I probably should’ve informed them, however, I had mail redirected here for 6months as well, so is 18 months not a reasonable time to think they’d closed it? 

 

I would’ve sent them the template letter about parking, I definitely wouldn’t have ignored it.  

Unfortunately I’ve got a new computer now, so it’s not saved.

 

I’m still waiting for the email from the court clerk, if it doesn’t arrive in next few hours, I’ll ring back.

[dx100uk]

4 minutes ago, Larissamj said:

so is 18 months not a reasonable time to think they’d closed it? 

 

closed what?

 

 

[Larissamj]

Their files

[dx100uk]

Its a civil debt.

alive for 6yrs.

[Larissamj]

I wasn’t aware of that, is that something that should be common knowledge, or is it reasonable as a lay person to not know? 

[dx100uk]

What diff does that actually make..none..

[Larissamj]

it was in reply to FTMDave, saying  that the judge would want to know

“What happened here? 

Did you move without informing VCS although you knew you were in legal dispute with them? “

 

That is the reason why I didn’t inform them that I was moving. 

I didn’t actively think to myself that I won’t tell them, it just wasn’t on my radar.

 

[brassnecked]

It wasn't on your  radar which is why they would send all docs to your last known address, and when you don't respond get a Default Judgment

[Larissamj]

Yes, so I’m thinking that’s what I would need to tell the judge.

 

It’s shocking that they can get away with doing this to people, when it’s so obviously underhand.

[dx100uk]

then you'll lose.

Its not underhand... its quite legal to serve everything to your last advised address.

 

I cant see a reason to set aside

i cant see a defence for the claim either.

 

Sorry but sometimes we have to be realistic

[Larissamj]

I thought that private parking tickets were unenforceable in court in the first place?