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    • The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule  4 . This is before I ask if Europarks have sent you a copy of the PCN they sent to Arval along with a copy of the hire agreement et. if they haven't done that either you are totally in the clear and have nothing to worry about and nothing to pay. The PCN they have sent you is supposed to be paid by you according to the Act within 21 days. The chucklebuts have stated 28 days which is the time that motorists have to pay. Such a basic and simple thing . The Act came out in 2012 and still they cannot get it right which is very good news for you. Sadly there is no point in telling them- they won't accept it because they lose their chance to make any money out of you. they are hoping that by writing to you demanding money plus sending in their  unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors that you might be so frightened as to pay them money so that you can sleep at night. Don't be surprised if some of their letters are done in coloured crayons-that's the sort of  level of people you will be dealing with. Makes great bedding for the rabbits though. Euro tend not to be that litigious but while you can safely ignore the debt collectors just keep an eye out for a possible Letter of Claim. They are pretty rare but musn't be ignored. Let us know so that you can send a suitably snotty letter to them showing that you are not afraid of them and are happy to go to Court as you like winning.  
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    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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Smart Parking LTD - Letter before claim - Metro Bank, 50 Two Woods Ln, Brierley Hill, DY5 1TA


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Hello all, I have done some reading but I would like a bit of guidance on this please.

I received a parking charge 8 months ago where I parked overnight on a car park and didn't see the parking sign. Looking at the parking sign after it was not a pay and display it was if you stay over the time limit you receive a charge. The car park was empty and in no way was my parking a hindrance. At the time I googled the letter and I read to ignore this and that these parking companies do not have the power. It was not a council one as I would have paid that straight away.

I have had a few letters since and each time I have googled the letter and found it was just another division of the company sending 'false threats' and the advice online was to ignore.

I had not received anything for a couple months but recently I received a letter (please see images) and I am not sure what I need to do now? I have blacked out sensitive info etc and the companies name and who sent this letter, but if you advise i am safe to name this I can. Just being cautious as I am aware they look on these sites.

I would be very grateful of any help. Thank you.

 

 

 

 

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You did absolutely the right thing in not appealing and in ignoring all the tripe they sent you.

 

However, a Letter Before Claim is a formal notice of intention to commence legal proceedings, so you need to reply, ridicule their claim and show them you'd be big trouble & would cost them if they did do court.

 

Please fill in the forum sticky.  It'll give us the information we need to see if the PPC have bothered to follow the law or not (they probably won't have).

 

I see already that they've invented £70 of fictitious fees.

 

Don't worry about identifying the PPC and the car park.

 

 

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please do our link

 

and its not a fine ... i've changed that word in your 1st post to charge several times

who said it was?

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi.

 

As FTM Dave said, we need the initial information from our forum sticky before we can advise fully.

 

I'm not sure you got the advice to send an SAR or put the case on hold, was it from us?

 

Please let us have the sticky Qs and As information and we'll advise on what to do next.

 

HB

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Thank you. I did post this on moneysavingexpert but I found them to be quite rude and they said I should have appealed from the original PCN.

 

It was from that forum they advised me to send the SAR and email to CST Law.

 

Once I am home from work i will get the letters out and fill out the q.

 

Thank you

 

Apologies this is me referring to it as a fine, i am now aware it is not a fine. Thank you.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • BankFodder changed the title to Smart Parking LTD - Letter before claim

OK, please fill in the sticky later on today.  Smart are infamous for not making the tiniest effort to make sure their paperwork, and the timescale they send it out in, is compliant with the law.  Presumably, sadly most motorists wet themselves & cough up, so Smart get away with ignoring the law.

 

You were absolutely right not to appeal.  Smart, like the other PPCs, never, ever accept appeals - ever.  Even worse, you would probably have outed yourself as the driver and thrown away your POFA protection.

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We try to be nice. :)  You may need to do something about CST having your email. See what the others think, but some firms can email you at 11.59 the night before a court case, so you don't have time to consider their documents.

 

It's not urgent and can be dealt with. :)

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Hello all, sorry for my late reply.

 

I have been looking through my paperwork and cannot for the life of me find the original parking charge letter or the one that came after it. If I recall, I had the original letter and then one or two more letters putting the price up and then offering a reduced charge if it was paid (the type of scary looking ones with red writing at the top)

 

I do have all the letters from this since (from Zenith, DRP and CST Law)

 

Where do I stand now?

 

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Is this car park local to you?  Would it be possible to go back and get photos of the signage in the evening?

 

Failing that, can you remember if the signs were illuminated or not?

 

EDIT: when did you e-mail Smart & CST Law?

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On 05/02/2021 at 14:30, honeybee13 said:

We try to be nice. :)  You may need to do something about CST having your email. See what the others think, but some firms can email you at 11.59 the night before a court case, so you don't have time to consider their documents.

 

It's not urgent and can be dealt with. :)

HB

 

you should never be giving either your email address!!

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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The fact that you've acted so quickly after getting the LBC means we have plenty of time to gather evidence and send Smart packing.

 

What will dissuade Smart from taking you to court is if they realise they'd lose because their case is pants and you're quite prepared to fight it.

 

I mention the signage because usually the PPCs don't illuminate their signs to deliberately try to catch drivers out.

 

Once we see the signage then it'll be a snotty letter to both CST Law and Smart, ridiculing their case.  A line can be added that the e-mail address previously used is inactive and is not to be used in future correspondence.

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Sign is lit, I just never saw it when I parked there. Now I have read the sign it says in place 24 hours a day, frustrating as I parked there at around 2am and left by 7am (visiting a family member in a time of need) and the business wasn't open and in no way did the parking of my car affect anything..

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How high up would you say the sign is please? I'm wondering how easy it is to read when you're driving.

 

Also, unless I've missed something we don't know which car park and on top of that, it would be really useful to know the answers requested in the sticky link in post #2.

 

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I have attached a pic to show its height in comparison to cars

 

I have the letters from zenith collection, drp and cst law but i cannot find the original letter although i remember it having two anpr images of my vehicle entering and leaving, so unfortunately I cannot fill out the sticky link :(

 

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  • honeybee13 changed the title to Smart Parking LTD - Letter before claim - Metro Bank, 50 Two Woods Ln, Brierley Hill, DY5 1TA

The signage may be illuminated, but it's still rubbish.  Nothing it seems at the entrance, and then one solitary sign in the stratosphere.  No wonder you didn't see it!

 

It's a pity we don't know if Smart respected POFA timescales, although your SAR to them may help further down the line.

 

How about this as a draft of a snotty letter to CST Law -

 

 

Dear CST Law,

 

firstly, please note the e-mail address xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx I have previously used in communications is no longer active and is not to be used in any further correspondence.

 

Next - your Letter Before Claim.  Extra toilet paper is always welcome in these dark days of lockdown and panic buying, so a big thank you for helping me out.

 

If you'd bothered to do any due diligence you'd have seen that not only is your client's signage utter pants but your client has messed up in about a hundred other ways which I have noted in a nice, tidy & well-organised list all ready to show to a judge.  No, you don't get a copy, it's up to you to get off your backsides and look at your client's paperwork.

 

Your client can either stop this foolishness now or else get a thrashing in court.  Either way is fine by me.  I can't wait for a proper holiday once all this COVID stuff is over and your client's financing it by way of an unreasonable costs order under CPR 27.14(2)(g) would do nicely.

 

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