VCS/ELMS Spy car 2*PCN PAPLOC Now Claimform for 1 of them - 'NO STOPPING' BP Station East Midlands airport

[bolmgsr]

Thanks chaps,

I’ll draft that letter and send it today. Will keep you posted with any developments

cheers

mick

[bolmgsr]

Update

sent snotty letter to Elms legal got a reply this morning, looking for advice on how I should defend myself.

cheers

 

40062538-740C-4A0D-9F9F-67DE5B53FFC8.pdf

[FTMDave]

Ignore the letter.

 

Yours in not the next move.  You've told them you're not paying and are prepared to do court.

 

It's up to them now to put up or shut up.

[bolmgsr]

Hi Guys, just a quick update, 

 

 I now have all the information VCS hold on me and photos to show I was not in the fuel station as they claim.

The date of the 14/02 has passed for their threat to take me to court

how long should i expect to wait to hear from them?

 

Also should i include in my appeal that the fact they couldn't issue me 2 x PCN's had this happened in a car park (as by their own charter you are allowed a 10 minute grace period)

 

how can they do it on a private road, and as it is a private road when i asked them for a breakdown of the costs incurred that lead them to the figure of £100 they quoted to me the case of Bevis v parking eye to justify the amount, however i feel this is not relevant as this event took place in a car park.

cheers

[dx100uk]

appeal what?

 

dx

 

[bolmgsr]

Sorry what I meant was should it go to court should I include all the above in my defence? is it all worth mentioning or should I just go with they have me in the wrong place

[dx100uk]

you dont file anything specific when filing a defence for a speculative invoice 

 

1000's of PCN claimform threads here to read if you are that worried this early.

 

use our search in the top red banner....

 

 

[bolmgsr]

Hi,

Ive received a claim form today from ELMS saying I have to now pay 235 pounds to money claims online, county court business centre ST Katharines House NN1 2LH. it says i shouldn't ignore it and my options are to defend all this claim, to defend part of this claim or to contest the jurisdiction. There is space on the last page for a defence and counterclaim, could just do with a bit of advice on how to approach this.

 

cheers

[honeybee13]

Hi.

 

Can we see the letter please? Make sure you hide your personal details. Our upload guide will help you on putting up pdf files. Best not to use jpegs for your anonymity.

 

HB

[bolmgsr]

Here is the first page does it look familiar I can upload others if needed

thanks

Claim Form.pdf

[honeybee13]

OK, it's a claim form which they issue like confetti.

 

You need to defend this - there's no money to pay now. Have a read of what the forum sticky says and sign up to MCOL for the initial stages.

 

 

As the form is only dated yesterday, we have time to work with you on what your defence points will be.

 

HB

[bolmgsr]

 

 

Name of the Claimant :vehicle control services

 

Claimants Solicitors: ELMS Legal

 

Date of issue – 10 Mar 2021

 

Date for AOS - registered with MCOL 11 Mar 2021

 

Date to submit Defence - 9th april  <<note corrected date of defence filing..dx

 

 

What is the claim for ;-

 

1. The claim is for breach of contract for breaching the term and conditions set on private land.

 

2.The defendants vehicle ******* was identified in the fuel station, EMA on the 10/12/2019 in breach of the advertised terms and conditions; namely stopping to pick up / drop off in a restricted zone.

 

3.At all material times the defendant was the registered keeper and / or driver.

 

4.The terms and conditions upon entering private land were clearly displayed at the entrance and in prominent locations. The sign was the offer and the act of entering private land was the acceptance of the offer nearby entering into a contract by conduct.

 

5.The signs specifically detail the terms and conditions and the consequences of failure to comply, namely a parking charge notice will be issued, and the defendant has failed to settle the outstanding liability.

 

6.The claimant seeks the recovery of the parking charge notice, contractual costs and interest. 

 

 

What is the value of the claim? £235.00

 

 

Amount Claimed 160.00

court fees 25.00

legal rep fees 50.00

Total Amount 235.00

[dx100uk]

 there is no need to file a strong defence and that's not due till day 33

 

pop up on the MCOL website detailed on the claimform.
.
 register as an individual
 note the long gateway number given
 then log in
.
 select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box.
.
 then using the details required from the claimform
.
 defend all
 leave jurisdiction unticked.
 click thru to the end
 confirm and exit MCOL.

 get a CPR 31:14 request running to the solicitors [if one is not listed send to the claimant]

no need to sign anything
.
you DO NOT await the return of paperwork.
you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform [1 in the count].....

 

…………..

 

there are numerous VCS no stopping claimform threads here

get reading up.

use the custom google search box that comes up after hitting our top squares logo, for:

 

VCS no stopping claimform

 

you'll soon get the idea.

 

dx

 

 

 

 

 

 

[bolmgsr]

Thanks guys, 

I've completed the initial stages on MCOL and sent a CPR31:14 back to ELMS using the template letter with changes made to reflect my case, I guess I wait to hear back from them now.

[dx100uk]

NO you don't..

carefully read the bottom of my last post following the cpr info......

[dx100uk]

two things of worthy note:

1. corrected defence filing date..

 

2. you are being taken to court for a supposed stop in the FUEL STATION... you were not there!!

 

this is exactly the same scam VCS tried to pull on another no stopping claimform thread already here.

 

 

[bolmgsr]

That’s true and I’ve got the pictures to prove I was not in the fuel station and I’ve seen the cctv footage they have and it clearly shows me at the top of the road then I reverse back to avoid entering the fuel station and drive out along the same road I drove up.

 

They have issued me 2 PCN’s within a minute on the same road 20m apart I paid the first one but this second one has got my goat and that why I am where I am now.

 

I don’t really know what I’m doing but with your guidance I hope to get through this with a good outcome .

 

Thanks again guys

 

[FTMDave]

You paid one!

 

Can you get the money back through chargeback?

[bolmgsr]

No paid it back in November thinking they might leave me alone so too late for that, could I get it back through a counter claim if I’m successful in winning? although they are different pcn numbers, in my eyes they are both part of why I’m fighting this second pcn

[brassnecked]

its a shame youpaid the first one, but if it goes against them thee might be other routes to hit them.

[bolmgsr]

Hi

i sent a cpr 31.14 to ELMS legal and today they have sent me all the information they hold on me and also the attached document of VCS terms and conditions of contract. I still have whilst the 12/04 to submit my defence just looking for a bit of advice what to say at the moment.

 

VEHICLE CONTROL SERVICES LIMITED.pdf

[dx100uk]

means nothing really unless you drove within the restraints of the boundary they mention?

 

dx

 

[bolmgsr]

Impossible to say from the photo they have I’ve drawn the route I took and the cctv footage they have shows me picking up at point B and then reversing back to avoid going into the fuel station before driving out on the same route I entered 

Bp station Site plan.pdf Audi bp station boundary.pdf Scanned Documents.pdf

[bolmgsr]

What  points should I include in my defence

 

 

thanks

[dx100uk]

as advised..type 

no stopping claimform.

 

in our search bar on the right of our top banner 

 

3 -5 line generic defence.

 

have a go

post up your ideas