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Considering legal action for harrassment against parking operator

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For the last six months, I have received a barrage of Court papers for alleged parking infringements by the same operator, Excel Parking Ltd and am considering taking legal action against them.  Here is a summary:



Pursued 4 years after the alleged infringement only for the case to be summarily vacated the claimant within days of the Court hearing



Pursued 2 years after the alleged infringement.  Case dismissed by the judge as evidence provided by the claimant clearly proved a valid ticket was purchased and displayed



Pursued 2 years after the alleged infringement.  Received and completed Notice of Proposed Allocation to the Small Claims Track and awaiting Court allocation.  Claimant has claimed they already have CCJ against me for this case despite no Court allocation or hearing and have advised of impending bailiff action.  Requests for detail of the alleged infringement not met.



Being pursued for an "over-stay" at a motorway service area car park despite having never been the legal owner or keeper of the vehicle in question


Any suggestions on my next move?



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Where on earth do you keep parking to get this many invoices?


What service station where?


Can you scan and upload your evidence of invoices?


As for taking legal action against them I guess it all depends on how much time you have to waste?


Nothing good will come of it, vent to your local MP and councillors . 

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To my (limited) knowledge, courts set a high bar for harassment.


However, we're well aware of the antics of Simple Simon, owner of Excel and VCS.


CASE 3 worries me a bit.  You haven't moved during these four years have you?  Is there any chance of you not having received court papers and then a backdoor CCJ being issued?


If you send Simon a SAR he will have a statutory duty to come clean with all the info. his horrible company has on you, and will be in hot water if he doesn't comply. 



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Harassment is a difficult one to win. Much easier is to sue them for GDPR breaches. 


Case 2 is a good example - the  going rate for that would be £500 perhaps but may be as a low as £200 which would probably cancel out the cost. Although case 4 should also be good for you.


Like FTMDave I am concerned for you about case 3 .


Please check your credit file to see if it is all clear.

If so then GDPR is good for  that .

If they do have a ccj for you please come back to us with advice how to possibly remove it.


I wouldn't pursue case 1 as they may have had good reason to obtain your details that time.



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Case 3 - If there is a CCJ, they don't have to provide you with details of the infringement, you've already been found liable. If you want to dispute liability, you'll have to make a set-aside application.


Case 4 - It doesn't matter if you were never the owner or the registered keeper of the vehicle. If the registered keeper received the ticket and named you as the driver, you'll have to provide evidence that you weren't the driver who parked the car at the time the ticket was issued or dispute that you were.

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If , if, if.......dont speculate on things ever AlfaMan prove, prove. prove 1st

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Get that info, and if you have moved be prepared for a potential shock.

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CASE " There is no CCJ.  The Court or case hasn't even been allocated to date.  


CASE 3 With regard to the "over-stay" issue, documentation does refer to a car I own.  But the one in the photos supporting the claim is different!


So no ifs!

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Just to be on the safe side please look at your credit file-the last thing anyone needs are bailiffs kocking on the door. It may be that you have another PCN with them somehow mixed up with the one on case 3.


I think you meant case 4 on your post above regarding the overstay. With ANPR sometimes the reg. no. can be misread. If that is the case then they have breached your GDPR.  If you challenged them on this and they still keep pursuing you then eventually that could be harassment  but the GDPR breach is much the safer bet.


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I understand you think these cases are connected (they are, they all involve you!) and that Excel are harassing you, the problem would be proving it in court as VCS would argue they administer the car parks where your vehicle was parked and had every right to take action.


CASE 1  Done & dusted, you saw them off, well done.


CASE 2  I agree with lookinforinfo.  If they actually sued you when you had a ticket showing then that is a very serious GDPR breach.  If you want to go down the road of suing them, please start a new thread and give us more details of what went on, with the important documentation redacted & uploaded.


CASE 3  Yes, I understand it's at the stage of awaiting court allocation.  However the mention of a CCJ made me & lookinforinfo be concerned that there may be a case 5 and Excel have sued and won by default at a previous address.  Can you rule this out?  As I said above, you should send Excel a SAR.  It's free, it will annoy them, they will have to do some work and if they breach their statutory duty then that's something else you could sue them for.  If you want help with this case (although you seem to have a superb record of beating Simon!) please again start a new thread.


CASE 4  So was your car actually in the car park but bone idle Simple Simon has sent the wrong photo, or is it  case of licence cloning?  If the latter Homer is spot on, if the former then again we would be pleased to help if you give more details in a separate thread.

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