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ECP ANPR PCN - Esso Cobham services A2 london bound


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Hello,

 

following proper advice, I pulled into the services after a long drive for a rest as I was literally falling asleep at the wheel. 
 

this was cobham services on a2 in Kent for 59mins.

 

I pass through here often and have never noticed you have to pay £1 to stay there longer than 35mins.

 

today I received a PCN for £100!!!

 

 

please answer the following questions.

 

1 Date of the infringement

15/10/20
 

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date]


21/10/20

 

3 Date received

24/10/20
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?]

yes
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event?

Photo of numberplate 
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal]

N
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up

N/A
 

7 Who is the parking company?

Euro car park 

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town]

Esso cobham services gravesend, A2 trunk road da12 3bh
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

POPLA /BPA
 

There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. If you are unsure,

please check HERE
 

thank you all in advance for advice 

 

 

 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to ECP ANPR PCN - Cobham services A2 london bound

no such thing as 35mins free parking

 

can yo put all you documents into one PDF please

so we can Zoom

read upload carefully

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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there you go all done

i thought i could see you'ed left your reg number and their PCN number in your pictures.

 

there are quite a few threads here on this only allowed 30mins on certain esso forecourts

total rubbish ofcourse 

and none haver gone anywhere so far FWIW.

 

dx

 

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to ECP ANPR PCN - Esso Cobham services A2 london bound

Thank you. Is it worth replying to say why I was there and that I feel it’s a bit disproportionate?

 

had I known I’d have paid the original £1 but I was so worried about getting into a space without crashing!

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It's not worth appealing because ECP won't listen, unfortunately, plus you can give the impression that if they lean on you, you'll pay them money when you don't need to. The only time we normally advise writing to them is if you get a Letter Before Claim/Action.

 

Best to say nothing for now and if you do get a LBC, we'll help you to draft something. Have a read around some other parking threads and you'll get an idea of how these people operate.

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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nope

its not a letter of claim

and a DCA is not a bailiff nor has any powers on any debt ...no matter what it's type

don't forget our search top right..esso PCN

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I wouldn't worry too much. As you didn't pay you did not accept their Terma and Conditions which makes you a trespasser. Only the landownwer can sue for trespass which is not Europarks.

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I thought I'd seen it all by now when it comes to the antics of the PPC, but this one left me open-mouthed.

 

The place is by all intents & purposes a service station.  Sure, you're not on the motorway but there's Londis, Greggs, Costa, etc.

 

Who has ever heard of having to pay to use a motorway service station?  Hardly anyone is going to stay for less than 35 minutes, the time you take to order a cuppa, drink it and go to the bathroom will take you over 35 minutes.

 

I'm quite careful about these things but I'm damn sure I would have missed their miniscule sign, placed opposite the huge signs enticing you to use the businesses present.

 

Absolute conmen, well done for calling their bluff.

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Hello all,

 

Update is that i've today had the attached letter, which claims to be a Notice of Intended Court Action.

 

Simultaneously says that should I not pay they will 'recommend' their client takes court action against me, so I don't think i'm getting anything imminently!

 

Will I get another letter of intended action from ECP? or do I respond to this one?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Bongo90

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Begging letter - ignore.

 

It's not Debt Recovery Plus's debt, so they can do absolutely nothing.

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We could do with some help from you.

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