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    • I'm trying to understand it all but I certainly tend to agree with my colleague @dx100uk that it looks as if you may have been taken for a ride. You found an advertisement for a bag on an online sales site. Instead of going through the established procedure of that site, which presumably allows them to recover a commission from the seller you started dealing directly with the seller who is an unknown person to you and of course that allowed the seller to avoid paying the commission. At whose suggestion was it that you went off-site? You then pay by PayPal but instead of logging it with PayPal as a payment for a purchased item, you tell PayPal that it was actually simply a gift or transaction between friends and family. This also allowed the seller to avoid paying a PayPal fee on the money. At whose suggestion was it that you paid in this way?       I don't say that you definitely have been scammed, but it doesn't look very good. This is how it might have happened: after you agreed to take the transaction off-site, so you lost the protection of the established system – and the seller avoided the commission and also avoided the sales site knowing that they had sold their item, you then agreed to pay the seller some money – but not for a purchase – simply as a gift. This has two consequences. Firstly, the seller avoids a PayPal fee and secondly, because PayPal has been misled as to the purpose of the payment, you lose the protection of PayPal if it turns out that you've been scammed or there is some other problem with the transaction. The seller then apparently sent you the parcel and they sent you pictures of a package with your address on it. Separately they sent you a Hermes tracking number – but there is no evidence that the package was actually posted to your address. The seller might simply have taken a picture with your address and sent that to you by way of reassurance – and then changed the label and posted the parcel to themselves but sent you a tracking number which is inaccessible to you and in respect of which you will be prevented from getting any information. All you've seen is a parcel with your address on it. All you've been given is a tracking number which satisfied you for a while until the parcel did not arrive and then when you started to make enquiries, you found that you were unable to access any details referring to the tracking number. Of course the tracking number says that the item was delivered – because maybe it was – but in that case it was delivered to the address on the parcel which might have been the seller's own address – or the address of a friend. I don't want to say that this is definitely how it happened, but it is a plausible scenario. Of course Hermes is an awful lot of parcels – but on the other hand I expect that most of the parcel is that going to Hermes hands are delivered successfully. We only get the bad stories on this forum. I can imagine that Hermes rate of successful deliveries is better than 97% because otherwise people wouldn't simply just hate them, they would go out of business.   We can help you bring a complaint against Hermes if you want. However, on the basis of what you say, the odds are stacked against you but it would be useful to try and find out the address which was associated with tracking number. As far as your apparent willingness to travel hundred and 50 miles to ask for your money back, don't bother. If you did actually go there, are you sure that the seller actually lives at the address that you have been given? What evidence do you have that? Of course if you found that the seller didn't reside at that address then it is slamdunk that you have been scammed. But then what are you going to do? You can try to inform the police but of course it won't get you anywhere. You can inform the sales website – but they will say that you brought it on yourself because you agreed to go off-site. You can inform PayPal – that they will say that because you sent the money which was calculated to avoid their fees, you have lost the protection. If you travelled the 150 miles and found that the seller did reside at that address, do you really think that they are going to hand your money over to you? If they are acting dishonestly then they will simply say that it is nothing to do with them, that they addressed it all correctly and they don't understand what has happened and that this is simply Hermes up to their old tricks. What are you going to do? You simply risk getting into a very nasty argument and depending on how bad it went, you might even find that the police are called and I'm afraid that they would be looking at you – not the seller. Maybe you can answer the questions that I've post above as to who it is who initiated the various ways of doing business.    
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I fell into their trap too. Contacted my bank for a debit card dispute but was told they can't help because the contract I signed has a section that says the order cannot be reduced or cancelled once I leave the premises. However, it was sold by deceit and blunt lies, aka in a fraudulent way. Anything I can do to get my money back? 

 

Multiple websites seem to be leading to the same company. I first came across with castingavenue.co.uk. When I got contacted by Justin James/Wright (he had different names in different emails) the website he referred me to was socialmediamodel.co.uk. The actual company name is
London TV & Fashion Media Limited, Trading As Ga11ery
26a Market Place
Fitzrovia
London
England
W1W 8AW

On the phone with Justin I was asked to pay a refundable deposit of 50GBP to secure my appointment. Justin assured me that this will be refunded on the day of the trial shooting. He also explicitly assured me that I will not have to pay anything for the company for the photo shooting or, if successful, after being offered a job, for they are paid by the brands they refer me to. He told me that in case of a successful application they guarantee a minimum of 4 paid jobs a month for an initial 12 month period. For all this I had to travel to London, again with a sense of urgency, as he said they already have a potential job for me lined up.

The way they communicate is very manipulative on many levels. They speak fast and give lots of details, repeating the ones that should be the main fraudulent selling point, which is that the company guarantees a job for a 12 month period. They apply a time pressure, a sense of urgency to make a decision immediately otherwise I will miss out on my opportunity. This is reinforced by the promised job possibility.

After the photo shooting I had an interview with Ken Love. The room I had the interview in was quite dark with a standing light behind him so he could see my face quite clearly but I couldn't see his so well. When I asked about what my investment would be in all of this he told me it was my time only for they get a 15-22 percent cut after each job they refer me to. Ken told me that they guarantee a minimum of 12 paid jobs a month (different figure from the phone conversation) from which I have to take a minimum of 4 in order to stay on their books. I will be assigned a model manager who will help me with my website which will be created by the company, my official Instagram and Facebook page. My manager will be there for me to advise in everything to make my first steps in the modelling world. All this was said to be launched on the 5th October, when I will also be appearing in a magazine in the "New Face" category.


He had a job description with the Halifax Bank logo on it on his computer screen for extra visual reinforcement of the information. He gave a lot of information about the job, again speaking very fast and rushed. He told me the shooting would take place between 24-26 September and I would be paid over 3000GBP per day. Also Halifax bank would pay me up to 7000GBP for the rights to use my images for up to 2 years. He said the Bank is going to call me on Tuesday, the 15th September between 11 am and 2pm to confirm the details of the job. At this point he told me that in order to move forward with this job I need to get one of the company packages which cost me 3500.

I had a phone call from my "model manager" Laura Jones a few days later, which I recorded and in which she explicitly confirmed that I have got the job but not heard from her since.

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Thanks for this. And thanks also for all of the very interesting detail.

By how much are you out of pocket? There isn't clear from your story. I can see that you had to pay £50 but did you pay anything else?

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by what method please

not bank transfer i hope?

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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No, I paid by debit card. I asked my bank to start a debit card dispute but they said they can't help because the contract I signed says "I understand that once I leave the premises, I cannot cancel or reduce the order."

 

It actually also says that "I also understand that LTVFM LTD is not an agency and will not find me work." 

 

 

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Which bank is it? Tell your bank that that is all part of the scam and the contract is meaningless and that you are the client and you are beginning a chargeback. You must be insistent. Get a reference number for the call and for the chargeback application. You may eventually be declined but you won't be declined in such a peremptory way. Tell your bank that if they won't give you the chargeback then you will begin a complaint to the FOS.

It's absurd for your bank to rely on the contract when the contract is part of the scam

Ideally you should read our customer services guide and record your call

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That's what I thought too actually, especially given that I have a voice recording to prove that the "service" was sold by deceit aka in a fraudulent way. Thanks for the tip, didn't realize that I have to be more assertive with them too. 

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Bank of Scotland.

That's what I thought too actually, especially given that I have a voice recording to prove that the "service" was sold by deceit aka in a fraudulent way. Thanks for the tip, didn't realize that I have to be more assertive with the bank too. 

I'll read your articles. 

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i was going to say bet its halifax or BOS

and it is

they are terrible at understanding chargeback.

 

it's a very well know scam 

i can assure you they are very aware of it .

 

 

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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So do I need to actually call them rather than replying to their email? 

 

What also makes me wonder is how is it possible that a scam like this can go on for so long without being caught and prosecuted? There's so much evidence against them. Where does the system fail? Or is it too big a question to ask. 😊

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yep

ring them up

demand a chargeback

if the initial script jockey wont do it

ask to speak to a supervisor.

 

T&C mean nOTHING.

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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its just one of the many scams that resurrect themselves in a slightly different guise every few years

watchdog etc etc have all done articles on the fashion & modelling scams many times.

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Just spoke to the bank and they are adamant that the contract I signed is binding and valid therefore they cannot start a chargeback. No way I could get the message accross that it's part of a scam and I already sent them plenty of proof for that. I shall write to the FOS now I guess. 

Any other suggestions? 

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god why is that banking group is always just SOOO thick and stupid when it comes to chargeback!!

the contract is a scam, doesn't matter where you flippin signed it!

it's a scam!

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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