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UKPC ANPR PCN - 13mins stay - Friern Barnet Retail Park N11 3PW


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Recently visited the site.

 

Driver browsed in one store and purchased food items to consume inside another store. Walked to green space attached to site. Returned to site cleaned vehicle of waste and left site.  A few days later NTK has arrived in post with requests stating overstaying of 13 minutes . . images clocked show 16 minutes. . company has history of "doctoring timestamps" - will upload as soon as scanner is accessible and image can be "cleared".

 

any assistance will be greatly appreciated.

 

TowedgeornottoWedge

 

1 Date of the infringement

07/10/2020
 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date]

13/10/2020 (Having trouble with the scanner at the moment and will upload images as soon as is possible)
 

[scan up BOTHSIDES as ONE PDF- follow the upload guide]

 

3 Date received

17/10/2020
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?]

Yes
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event?

Image of entry and exit provided
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal]

Not yet seeking further suggestion and support
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up

N/A
 

7 Who is the parking company?

UKPC LTD (UK PARKING CONTROL LTD)

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town]

Friern Barnet Retail Park N11 3PW
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

POPLA

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You have a minimum of 10 minutes' grace period to find a parking space, read the signs, walk to the stores, later walk back, etc.  There is no maximum.  I think in COVID times when you had to wash your hands thoroughly after consuming food and there was a queue to do so 😉 13 minutes is not excessive and the fleecers' claim can be easily batted off.

 

How long do UKPC reckon is the maximum you can stay?  I can't imagine a council would grant under three hours free parking for such a large retail park and suspect the con artists have reduced that with no respect for the original planning permission.

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UKPCS can't argue you owe anything...

pers i'd ignore them until or unless you get a letter of claim.

 

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You could try writing to the shops that you visited with a view to them cancelling the PCN.

FTMDave has outlined the reason why you don't owe the money but you will never get UKPCs to admit it.

 

Well done for not giving away who the driver was.

 

Could you please post up the PNC front and back and get clear photos of the signage at the car park EG the entrance, the ticket machine if there is one and other signs around the car park especially where they are different from the entrance sign and any other signs in the car park.

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oh god no...please don't tell me you sent that to the fleecers or their dogs...please...!!

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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read our threads here please...

its called playing all your cards early and not waiting to see IF they ever issue a letter of claim then a court claim.

 

now they know what you'll be arguing against they are well prepared...

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Nah, no preparing for court dates!

 

You made a mistake, but it isn't fatal, just learn for the future.

 

Ignore the tripe they will send you in the coming months.

 

When they finally send you a LBA (if they do) then it'll be time to give them both barrels.

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please do not post jpg picture images directly to a post
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read upload and redact in jpg then convert using on of the listed websites there to convert to one multipage pdf only

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that way only logged-in,registered and approved caggers are the only ones that can download and see them
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else anyone can see them caggers or not.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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It's a begging letter, sit back, relax & ignore.

 

But come back here if they ever send you a Letter Before Claim.

 

 

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well you've already played your cards so it makes no odds really now if you do.

 

as for that letter, they accidently included NOT in the first line..:eek:

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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A polite query prior to POPLA

 

How relevant to ANPR issued NTK's is the information below.

 

5.4 A penalty notice must not:

Mention POFA 2012 (as this is not relevant and will confuse the owner about the situation in which they find themselves)

Mention ParkingEye Vs Beavis (as this is not relevant and will confuse the owner about the situation in which they find themselves)

Use the words “parking charge”, “parking charge notice”, ‘’Penalty Charge Notice’’ or “PCN” (as this is not relevant and will confuse the owner about the situation in which they find themselves)

Refer to keeper or driver liability (as this is not relevant and will confuse the owner about the situation in which they find themselves)

 

 

NTK Letter back.pdf NTK Letter Front.pdf signage.pdf

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it's not a penalty notice...it's a speculative invoice.

 

pofa does not apply once (like you) they have appealed and stated they were the driver. pofa then becomes irrelevant.

 

bevis has a very narrow involvement in any speculative invoice issuance claims by any other private parking company bar PE, look at who the owner was of that particular vehicle and it's relevance toward the keeper being a member of joe pubic.

 

re PCN , the term or such words, must not be used..it must not be used to confuse people into thinking it is a FINE, a penalty chage notice,  issued by and enforceable by, any authority that can use a magistrates (criminal court) to enforce it.

 

there is a big difference between the actual driver at the time of the event and the registered keeper of the vehicle.

implying or trying to imply, they are the same entity is misleading.

 

................

 

and where did that come from and why is it important to your POPLA appeal you could initiate?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I ask as the document that had been sent (NTK) had all of the terms it says not to use.

 

The source www.britishparking.co.uk/AOS-Code-Changes-2018

 

scroll down the page to the section Re: amendments

 

The idea was basically that if they were not supposed to use these specific terms in a notice the POPLA would see that hey had indeed used all of them and . . . .

 

 

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read it properly..eh?:crazy:
your speculative invoice is nothing to do with any byelaw infringement

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to UKPC ANPR PCN - 13mins stay - Friern Barnet Retail Park N11 3PW

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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