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    • Hi all,   I recently received a Parking Charge Notice from Minster Baywatch for 'unauthorised' use of their carpark.   They're wanting £100, reduced to £60 if paid within 14 days - from other cases I've been reading on here, this is the usual, generous 'discount' they offer.    I have already appealed and got a rejection, in which I accepted that I was the driver and keeper of the vehicle. Since coming across this page, I now understand that this was a definite mistake - hence, I am asking for advice so I can approach everything correctly from now on.   I'll give a quick rundown of the situation, but this is also explained in the appeal I have attached. I was attending JD gym, Huddersfield, which I am a member of. Members are permitted to use the car park given that they enter their VRN on an iPad situated in the reception area.    In my appeal, I explain that I entered my details into the iPad like EVERY other visit and that there must have been a technological error - of course this got rejected just as I gather is the case with every other appeal they receive.    Finally, I now notice that the different between the date of infringement and date on the NTK is not within 14 days, if I have worked that out correctly. Is it possible to use this to my advantage even after having already appealed?   I understand that the advice now is most likely to wait and see if they send a Letter Before Claim. However I hope you can explain my chances if this happens, I am not afraid to get stuck in and defend myself if need be.    Thank you in advance   1. Date of the infringement 25/10/2020 2. Date on the NTK 9/11/2020 3. Date received 12/11/2020 -  I don't have any proof of this however I know this is true as I sent the appeal email the same day that it arrived. 4. Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? N 5. Is there any photographic evidence of the event?  Y 6. Have you appealed?  Y 7. Have you had a response?  Y 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Folly Hall Mills Carpark, Huddersfield 9. For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under? BPA NTK Front, NTK Back, Appeal, Appeal Reply.pdf
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ES Parking Enforcement ANPR PCN - Arndale Car Park, Union Street, Accrington, BB5 1PL


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Husband is a wheelchair / mobility scooter user. He has a wheelchair vehicle and a blue badge. 

I've received a letter from "ES Parking Enforcement" saying that he was parked for too long in a town centre car park.

 

I'm not sure who owns the car park, could it be the Local Authority? He was out with his carer, the carer was driving (husband can't, on medical grounds). 

 

Searching online it looks as if the first 30 minutes are free and then a fee is charged. There are a lot of complaints, saying that this isn't clearly stated (the car park used to be free) and many people are getting caught out. The carer is very responsible and would have made sure to buy a ticket if they'd realised. I can't discuss this with my husband as he won't remember.

 

Is there anything I can do, or do I have to pay up?

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private car park and operator

moved to the Private Parking Forum.

 

there will be no legal limit of 30mins that was granted by the council upon initial planning application/permission

and no-one can vary that.

 

please complete this:

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  •               For PCN's received through the post [ANPR camera capture]

(must be received within 14 days from the Incident)

 

please answer the following questions.

 

1 Date of the infringement

7th October 2020
 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date]

15th October 2020
 

[scan up BOTHSIDES as ONE PDF- follow the upload guide]

 

3 Date received

19th October 2020
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?]

No
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event?

Yes
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal]

No

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up

N/A
 

7 Who is the parking company?

ES Parking Enforcement Ltd 

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town]

Multi-Storey Car Park, Union Street, Accrington, BB5 1PL

 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

ESPEL.ZATAPPEAL.COM.

 

There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. If you are unsure,

please check HERE

 

If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here

"Reason of lssue: Exceeded maximum allocated or pre-paid time"

 

Thank you dx100uk, I will upload the PDF once I figure out how to block out identifying information.

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Is this the Arndale?  On Google Maps it seems the only multi-storey in the area, and it's "managed" by ES Parking.  I see that there were recently three hours' free parking.  As dx says, that will be on the planning permission which immediately knocks the fleecers' claim out of the water.

 

Plus, love to see them pursue someone for driving who can't physically drive!

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  • FTMDave changed the title to ES Parking Enforcement ANPR PCN - Multi-Storey Car Park, Union Street, Accrington, BB5 1PL

Yes it is the Arndale. Until 2018 it had always been free to park there then they introduced charges. I'm guessing the carer might have thought it was still free for 3 hours. 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to ES Parking Enforcement ANPR PCN - Arndale Centre Multi-Storey Car Park, Union Street, Accrington, BB5 1PL

This is the entrance until recently.

 

Is this place near you?  Would it be easy to go back and take photos of the signs as they are now, especially at the entrance?

Arndale entrance.pdf

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  • FTMDave changed the title to ES Parking Enforcement ANPR PCN - Arndale Car Park, Union Street, Accrington, BB5 1PL

I can find no planning information for ES parking in the Arndale Accrington.

Do not appeal to ES since all they want is money and they don't make any money if they cancel the ticket.

But you could appeal to the owners of the site, Jesta Capital corporation explaining the situation. 

 

Please wait until you post up the PCN to see if there was something else that involved the charge before appealing to them.  And when you do appeal do not divulge who was driving ad no you do not pay.

 

There does not appear to be any planning permission for their signs which there should be.

Please get photos at the entrance, at the payment meter and at least one of their signs on on of the floors including the terms and conditions and any other sign of theirs that is different from the one with the T&Cs.

 

As for uploading the PCN, you could just take a photo of it with some paper covering the name, address and reg no of the car. Or photocopy the original and then tipex out the revealing details on the copy before uploading it.

 

 The owners of the Arndale centre are now Property Partners Management with Daniel Brian Cusack as one of the directors. They seem to change owners a fair bit. And it doesn't look as if planning permission is necessary in multi storey car parks.

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ES Parking's claim is pants.  As dx says, they have no planning permission for the ridiculous 30 minutes' free parking, they haven't bothered to go for keeper liability and so can only persue the driver who can't possibly be your husband, and I would guess their signs are carp as well.  The old ones I found said you only find out the restrictions once you've entered the building, so once you decide whether to accept or not there's no way out!

 

Up to you of course, but the site would support you in not paying a penny to these bandits.  Refuse to have anything to do with their kangaroos court appeals procedure and ignore their silly letters ... but use the time to build up a case against them, such as photos of the signs the next time you're in the vicinity as lookinforinfo points out.

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Just seen on ES's website ANPR is a revolutionary technology

 

Seriously!  Yes, just like CERN in Switzerland 🤣

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Have you got a link for the Council's request lookinforinfo?

 

From a fellow Night Owl!

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https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/plea-reverse-ludicrous-parking-changes-18994356

 

I tend to think that the owners are trying to use the carpark charges as a means to get the Council to amend their Council tax. If it only costs £1 to  park all day I would be inclined to pay it from the start thus eliminating the risk of being charged £50 or £60 for going over the free time by a few minutes. But of course we have not seen the new parking signs yet and it could be that there may still be some of the old signs still showing.

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