NCP ANPR PCN - overstay - Meigh Street Car Park, Stoke on Trent

[St3v3]

 

Looking for some advice please

 

The person the letter is addressed to is not the person who parked the vehicle. The vehicle was parked and the driver went to pay for the parking, entered the registration number of the vehicle and selected to park for 2 hours, payment was attempted to be made in cash, neither of the machines would accept cash, therefore payment was made on card ( proof of payment is attached) . 

 

I live quite a distance from Stoke so I checked the site out on Google street view and  it shows the signage on entry to the car park is only on the left hand side so not visible from the drivers seat.

 

Thanks in advance of your help

 

 

For PCN's received through the post [ANPR camera capture]

(must be received within 14 days from the Incident)

 

please answer the following questions.

 

1 Date of the infringement 08.08.2020

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 24.09.2020

 

3 Date received 29.09.2020
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] NO
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? YES
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] Not yet
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up 
 

7 Who is the parking company? NCP

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] NCP Meigh Street Car Park, Stoke on Trent

 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. Popla

 

 

redacted copy pcn.pdf back of pcn.pdf

[dx100uk]

so what did they do, enter the wrong reg number?

[St3v3]

No the right reg was put in they are just saying that the car was parked for longer than paid for but 2 hrs was selected on the machine and paid for by card, unfortunately the display ticket was not retained 

[dx100uk]

2hrs parking on 8/8/2020 would have been £4.40 not £2.40.

 

doesn't matter though 

i would suspect the original granted council planning permission was certainly not 2hrs but more than that.

 

do NOT appeal

 

[St3v3]

Thanks for that, I just wondered if there was a challenge due to the fact that the 'offence' was on the 8th August and the notice was issued on the 24th September ?

[dx100uk]

strange that didnt look like a proper NTK so i didn't spot the dates

yes they are out of time.

they had 14 days..

 

[St3v3]

I thought it looked weird too, just plain white paper on the front . no letterheaded paper or anything.

 

Is there a standard response in this case or a template, to ensure I word it correctly?

[dx100uk]

yours is not the next move

never appeal or enter into any pointless letter tennis.

[St3v3]

So i should just wait to see if they try to take it any further? 

[dx100uk]

yes

you are safe to ignore everything that comes until/unless you get a letter of claim under the pre action protocol which they must abide by

 

i can see them going quiet .

 

dx

[St3v3]

OK, Thanks for your help 

[lookinforinfo]

Is there a reason they took so long to send the PCN?

The car was on hire or a change of address perhaps.

 

As they have not claimed to be using POFA it is important that you do not reveal the identity of the driver.

No POFA means they cannot pursue the keeper so just ignore everything from them and their unregulated debt collectors and ignorant second rate solicitors. [Sorry that was a slur on second rate solicitors]. 

Just ignore them all.

 

To go to Court they need the name and address of the driver so if you ignore them there is no chance they will find out. While that does mean that you are not liable to pay them a penny they won't look at it like that and pretend that you do owe them-probably escalating the bill every time they write.

 

This works in your favour as the most that they can ask is the amount on their signage but they always seem to want to overcharge which gets them a slap. 

 

All you have to do is let us know if they stupidly decide to send you a Letter of Claim [it's probably more greed than stupidity but they do both of them so well it is hard to know which one it is.].

If you do get an LBC come back to us so we will give them a snotty reply which may be enough to see them off.

 

In the meantime go on with your life safe in the knowledge that you owe them nothing and there is nothing they can do to change that.

[St3v3]

The registered keeper of the vehicle has now received the attached " Final Reminder" now asking for £60. 

 

Do we just carry on ignoring them or do we tell them that the registered keeper was not the driver? and/or the fact that they were out of time to serve the PCN in the first place.

 

To answer the question above the vehicle was on a  3 year lease which has now come to an end.

 

Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance 

redacted pcn final reminder.pdf

[dx100uk]

is this a letter of claim...no!!

 

read the last post before yours and my last post

 

dx

[St3v3]

Thanks for the response DX ,

 

I wasn't sure if i should keep the thread up to date with the actions they are taking so I thought better safe than sorry

 

Regards

[St3v3]

 

 

Received this letter yesterday (02/12/20) , dated 11/11/20 giving until the 25/11/20 to pay the "outstanding amount"

Unless the TARDIS is available, even if i agreed to pay it, it would be impossible.

Trace 2.pdf

redacted trace letter final.pdf

Edited December 3, 2020 by St3v3
redaction was incomplete

[FTMDave]

Just a begging letter - ignore.

 

Loved the comment about the TARDIS!

[dx100uk]

new twist for PE to use these idiots..

they'll add £45 to your bill now going by what T&R used to do with other PPC's that used them.

[St3v3]

Latest correspondence received a little quicker this time, they must have arrived back in the present

 

Just to keep the thread up to date with what they are sending out 

redacted TRACE letter 2.pdf

[Homer67]

Desperate begging letter!

 

This bit is laughable, they can't add admin charges or unicorn food tax and money for the Christmas beer up.

 

[dx100uk]

nor can they instruct solicitors...

 

dx

 

[AndyOrch]

Topic open...please post your update.

 

Andy

[St3v3]

 

Just to keep the thread up to date I am posting the latest 2 letters 

 

 

 

 

bw legal redacted 1.pdf bw legal redacted 2.pdf

Edited March 29, 2021 by St3v3

[FTMDave]

More begging letters.  Sit back, relax and ignore.