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    • Hi, In my last post I mentioned I had received an email from SS who were asking me to hand over the keys to my mother’s flat so they could pass them to the Law firm who have been appointed court of protection to access, secure and insure my mother’s property.  Feeling this, all quickly getting out of my hands I emailed ss requesting proof of this. I HAVEN’T HEARD BACK FROM SS.  Yesterday, I received an email (with attached court of protection order) from the Law Firm confirming this was correct (please see below a copy of this).  After reading the court of protection order I do have some concerns about it:   (a)   I only found out yesterday, the Law firm had been appointed by the court back in January.  Up until now, I have not received any notification regarding this.  (b)   Section 2   - States I am estranged from my mother.  This is NOT CORRECT    The only reason I stepped back from my mother was to protect myself from the guy (groomer) who had befriended her & was very aggressive towards me & because of my mother’s dementia she had become aggressive also.  I constantly tried to warned SS about this guy's manipulative behaviour towards my mother and his increasing aggressiveness towards me (as mentioned in previous posts).  Each time I was ignored.  Instead, SS encouraged his involvement with my mother – including him in her care plans and mental health assessments.   I was literally pushed out because I feared him and my mother’s increasing aggression towards me. Up until I stepped back, I had always looked after my mother and since her admission to the care home, I visit regularly.   .(c)    Sections -  4, 5 and 7  I am struggling to understand these as I don’t have a legal background.  I was wondering if there is anyone who might be able to explain what they mean.  It’s been a horrendous situation where I had to walk away from my mother at her most vulnerable because of; ss (not helping), scammer and groomer. I have no legal background, nor experience in highly manipulative people or an understanding of how the SS system operates, finding myself isolated, scared and powerless to the point I haven’t collected my personal belongings and items for my mother’s room in the care home.  Sadly, the court has only had heard one version of this story SS’s, and based their decision on that. My mother’s situation and the experience I have gone through could happen to anyone who has a vulnerable parent.    If anyone any thoughts on this much appreciated.  Thank you. ______________________________________________________  (Below is the Court of Protection Order)  COURT OF PROTECTION                                                                                                                                                                                   No xxx  MENTAL CAPACITY ACT 2005 In the matter of Name xxx ORDER Made by  Depty District Judge At xxx Made on xxx Issued on 18 January 2024  WHEREAS  1.     xxx Solicitors, Address xxx  ("Applicant”) has applied for an order under the Mental Capacity Act 2005.  2.     The Court notes (my mother) is said to be estranged from all her three children and only one, (me) has been notified.  3.     (Me) was previously appointed as Atorney for Property and Affairs for (my mother).  The Exhibity NAJ at (date) refers to (me) and all replacement Attorneys are now officially standing down.  4.     Pursuant to Rule 9.10 of the Court of Protection Rules 2017 and Practice Direction 9B the Applicant 2must seek to identify at least three persons who are likely to have an interest in being notified that an application has been issues.”  The children of (my mother), and any other appointed attorneys are likely to have an interest in the application, because of the nature of relationship to (my mother).  5.     The Court considers that the notification requirements are an important safeguard for the person in respect of whom an order is sought.  6.     The Court notes that it is said that the local authority no longer has access to (my mother’s) Property.  7.     Further information is required for the Court to determine the application.  IT IS ORDERED THAT  Within 28 days of the issue date this order, the Applicant shall file a form COP24 witness statement confirming that the other children of (my mother) and any replacement attorneys have been notified of the application and shall confirm their name, address, and date upon which those persons were notified.  If the Applicant wishes the Court to dispense with any further notification, they should file a COP9 and COP24 explaining, what steps (if any) have been taken to attempt notification and why notification should be dispensed with.   Pending the determination of the application to appoint a deputy for (my mother), the Applicant is authorised to take such steps as are proportionate and necessary to access, secure and insure the house and property of (my mother).   This order was made without a hearing and without notice.  Any person affected by this order may apply within 21 days of the date on which the order was served to have the order set aside or varied pursuant to Rule 13.4 of the Court of Protection Rules 2017 (“the Rules”).  Such application must be made on Form COP9 and in accordance with Part 10 Rules.              
    • Unless I've got an incorrect copy of the relevant regulation: The PCN is only deemed to have arrived two days after dispatch "unless the contrary is proved" in which case date of delivery does matter (not just date of posting) and I would like clarification of the required standard of proof. It seems perhaps this hasn't been tested. Since post is now barcoded for the Post Office's own tracking purposes perhaps there is some way I can get that evidence from the Post Office...
    • I would say You should accept it - I HIGHLY doubt you will  be able to claim for letters at trial ans they’re offering you that, which is higher monetary value than interest.   Also they raise a good point, getting interest at anything above 4% is lucky these days, yes judges give it, but rarily above 4%   Also you might find depending on the judge  you don’t get some costs if you take it all the way over £7.40 when court woukdnt award letters costs and thus meaning their award would be less than evris offer which was made    Up to you though but the wait will be 3-4mo for a trial date at least
    • Hi Folks, Been 162 days! Just by way of update. Today I received a text from Opos Ltd so no doubt Capquest are renting the debt out to anybody who fancies a nibble. Safe to say I will not be responding.
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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AQ is Allocation Questionaire. YB might be disputing the charges because your schedule of charges doesn't add up to the figure they have, I know this happened with caro's case and she asked them for a breakdown of what they had for the charges. It might be a good idea for you to read through her thread which is now in the 'Successes' section. It might enlighten you to what to do or what will happen next.

 

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zebby dog what is a AQ? Sorry im new to all this. I've check the MCOL website and it says that YB have disputed the chages. Will I recieve a letter to go to court? And Im sorry for stressing; but what are the chances that they will turn up at court??

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The AQ is basically a court form you fill in and send off.This helps to decide at which court your case is to be heard and which track ( small claims,fast track etc and the time it will take to be dealt with in court) There is a template in the library on how to fill this in.As for them turning up in court, its not likely.They havent done yet,but be prepared for them to take it to the wire and dont be put off by any of their threats it is all bull and bluster.

 

 

 

 

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I have just recieved a response from Kirstie Ross who is the YB solicitor. And she has signed the defence saying that I have operated by bank in such a way which has incurred the charges.. blah blah

Is this standard procedure, It just seems so official..

Does anyone know what I need to expect next or where on this site I can look..

Thanks

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Zebby dog; this AQ form, is this something that I should be completing now..?

I haven't recieved a court date yet, just un sure of the stages...

 

 

No you just have to wait for the court to send it to you.this will happen when their 28 days to settle or defend expire.It will have a date on it by which you MUST return it to the court, make sure you send it back promptly;)

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Any more news Martin?

 

 

Sorry Westwell.. I didnt see ur reply.. Just received my AQ.

Im unsure about what info will help to complete the form accurately.

Also im thinking of going on a short trip and wondered whether it is possible to postponed the AQ for a month. I see on the form that there is a ticky box to delay it for a month.

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Look in bank templates library for allocation questionnaires a guide to completion here's a link

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/bank-templates-library/11644-allocation-questionnaires-guide-completion.html

 

you can't delay the AQ there's a return date on it which you must comply with, the tick box you mention is to apply for a months stay to try and settle so it only delays the hearing date

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Look in bank templates library for allocation questionnaires a guide to completion here's a link

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/bank-templates-library/11644-allocation-questionnaires-guide-completion.html

 

you can't delay the AQ there's a return date on it which you must comply with, the tick box you mention is to apply for a months stay to try and settle so it only delays the hearing date

 

Im completing the AQ now, it is asking about witnesses. Can I call my girlfriend as a witness to my financial situation? What have most people done?

Also can i put that im on holiday for 2 weeks with regards to the hearing dates?

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also the form has a section G.. other information.

Do i need to write anything in this box.. sorry everyone im clueless..

 

I am respectfully requesting that my claim be allocated to the small claims track. This issue is not a complicated one; it is an issue of fact and not of law. The issue is only whether the money levied by the Defendant in respect of its customer’s contractual breaches exceed their actual costs incurred. I am happy to pay their actual costs and I am surprised the Defendant did not counterclaim for these, because I would have paid them without argument.

 

Also say you expect the case to last no longer than 1 hour

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Zebby not sure what to write in the G section further information. Do you have any ideas. Also from reading Caro's thread i was wondering how I go about claiming interest to todays date, rather than to the date that I have calculated in my last schedule of charges.

Not sure if I have spoken / written gobbledeegook,,,:lol:

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its getting nerve wracking now... thanks Zebby i have completed section G now with ur help. I have another question being that my claim is just over £1,500 i have to pay a £100 fee to the courts. Can I attach a chque to the form, and who do I make the cheque payable to?

Thanku in advance

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Can I attach a chque to the form
,Yes
and who do I make the cheque payable to?

HMCS (Her Majesty's Court Service)

 

 

Section G:

The Claimant proposes the attached draft order for directions, for the courts due consideration. If ordered, the Claimant believes these directions will allow the overriding objective's to be furthered in that they will fully identify the most fundemental issues in dispute (as detailed below), and allow them to be assessed so that this claim may proceed justly and expediously.

- The crux upon which this claim rests is the true cost incurred by the Defendent as a result of the contractual breach from which its charges arise. If the Defendent cannot substantiate the cost of each charge as proportionate to its loss incurred, it has charged contractual penalties contrary to the UTCCR 1999 and common law principles establised since the early 1900's.

- In the event that the Defendents charges were accepted as being a fee for a service (which is denied), examination of its true costs is required to determine whether the price is reasonable as required by the Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982.

As the law relating to contractual penalties is long established, the Claimant believes the outstanding issues to be of fact. Accordingly, the Claimant respectfully requests that the claim be allocated to the small claims track, and estimates that the hearing of the claim should last no longer than one hour.

 

 

And then attach a copy of the Draft Order. You don't have to do this if you don't want to.

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Michael i have already written on the form;

'I am respectfully requesting that my claim be allocated to the small claims track. This issue is not a complicated one; it is an issue of fact and not of law. The issue is only whether the money levied by the Defendant in respect of its customer’s contractual breaches exceed their actual costs incurred. I am happy to pay their actual costs and I am surprised the Defendant did not counterclaim for these, because I would have paid them without argument.I expect the case to last no longer than 1 hour.'

 

Do I add your paragraphs to to the form.. what is the draft order? is that something I have to complete?

Im sorry, I have no idea...

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Do I add your paragraphs to to the form..

All but the last para, which repeats itself.

 

what is the draft order?

Read post#3 here;

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is that something I have to complete?

You don't have to comply with it until the judge agrees to issue it as a Direction Order. He might not.
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And there is a template; draft order, which i think that I should complete and attach to the AQ questionnaire
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You don't 'complete' it just attach a copy of the order to the AQ

And also submit your info on a separate sheet with the form..

If you mean the info the Draft Order requires you to do, then no, not until the judege agrees to it and orders you to submit the info.
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