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OPS 2017 Windscreen PCN - Outside lines - Vantage point , brighton - Now Dcb legal letter of claim - i have moved too


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hi everyone, 

 

I hope you're well and thank you for reading! 

 

I got a fine from one parking solution in 2017. I had apparently parked in an marked bay , but at the time the car park was a dumping ground with fridges,  washing machines everywhere and the lines on the floor not really visible so I didn't even realise it wasn't a bay. Just looked like a messy car park. 

Anyway I got a fine. I contacted them with photos to appeal and got no response.  

A year later a letter from a debt collectors,  i followed advise online which  was to send two letters one with an offer to pay the original fine as a goodwillgesture and not accept liability and the other to again to appeal. I got no response. 

2019 I got a letter from DCB but not legal. I ignored it. 

Fast forward to now with a letter with this letter of claim asking for a response within 30 days .

 

I have unfortunately mislaid all the photos and the proof of sending them letters. 

 

Is there anything I can do? 

Thanks!

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First of all, it is NOT a FINE. Only a court has power to issue fines, the Police can issue Fixed Penalty Notices, a Council can issue Penalty Charge Notices, none of these is a fine. 

 

What you have received is a Parking Charge Notice - also known as a Speculative Invoice. Designed to mimic official penalties and referring to it as a FINE will not only give a specious piece of paper an appearance of legitimacy that it does not warrant, but will also give Site Team DX100uk apoplexy as it is his pet hate!

 

Before you do anything, read other threads in this forum, you will then understand the processes and the way that these underlife pretend to have powers that they do not. Forget Channel 4's Can't pay we'll take it away', they are not acting as bailiffs merely Debt Collection Agents with no power.

 

 

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As Gick indicates not a FINE, if it is a genuine Letter Before Claim could you post it up as a PDF, with personal details and any reference number/barcodes hidden please

 

Also if you could answer the questions in this sticky, we can see where you are at.  If a LBA probably a snotty letter, but the Team can advise best response once we have full picture what PPC originally sent the Invoice?

 

 

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Post up the letter redacted of your address etc; it may not be a Letter Before Claim but just another begging letter.

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Thank you so much for the replies already!

 

Just to add to the original post , I no longer live at the address that they've send the letter to (have changed my address with DvLa) not sure if it makes a difference 

 

For a windscreen ticket 

1 The date of infringement?

11th February 2017
 

2 Have you yet appealed to the parking company yet? Yes. I dont have any evidence of it as it was from 3 years ago. I sent photos of the car park and my parking ticket . I still have the paid parking ticket 

 

has there been a response?

No. 
 

 

have you received a Notice To Keeper? (NTK) [must be received by you between 29-56 days]

I can't recall this. But I believe I may have 

 

When I received debt collectors letters , I then sent the offer to pay letters and the PDA

 

5 Who is the parking company?

One parking solution 

 

6. where exactly [Carpark name and town] did you park?

Vantage point , brighton 

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I've had to remove two of the letters as your personal details were showing.  Please redact your details and repost.

 

You need to reply, and you need to give them your new address as they might well issue a county court claim at your old address which you would then lose as you wouldn't know about it!

 

Well done on hanging on to the ticket to show you paid.

 

Is there no way of getting your hands on photos to show the lack of marked bays?

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  • dx100uk changed the title to OPS 2017 Windscreen PCN - Outside lines - Vantage point , brighton - Now Dcb legal letter of claim - i have moved too

I very much doubt that OPS will dare take you to Court having added on an unlawful  £60 to the PCN.

They have been savaged by several Judges in Court claiming the extra charge is an abuse of process and are currently discontinuing all cases just before they go to Court hoping that the pressure on the motorist for a Court hearing  will force a payment  and avoid going to Court.

 

It is a shame that you offered to pay them the reduced amount under cover of "without prejudice" since that would have shown your willingness top pay for something that probably isn't really owed.

 

In the meantime I would write a letter to the SRA complaining about  DCBL adding an unlawful amount when they have had their cases thrown out of Court for adding that £60 or sometimes £70.

OPS were in trouble with Judge Harvey  at Lewes Court back in February for adding that £60.

 

As  it's OPS as opposed to any other car parking crooked company, I would be inclined to write to Judge Harvey asking for his comments.

 

I cannot find the case online but it was reported in this Forum a couple of months ago.

I am sure that one of the Site members will be able to find it for you.

 

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Make sure you write to OPS and inform them of your new address and let them know that you look forward to them continuing their pointless actions at your local county Court, which just happens to be Lewes (even if it isnt) You can tell them that they know how to get there by now.

No need to be polite, they have been called out as crooks by a judge so it is OK for you to remind them of this

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Reloaded those letters,  hopefully no personal data this time 🙈

 

I also found the photo I took of the bays , but i realise now they arent of my car in the carpark , just the car park with poor markings 

 

So points of action

- contact SRA 

- contact OPS rather than DCB with  my new address? So ignore DCb completely? 

-are there any example letters on here I can use ? 

 

Thanks so much , its SO appreciated!

 

pda (1).pdf

 

offer to pay - pcn (2).pdf

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hi ya

can you please scan as jpg

redact using MSpaint and then convert to PDF?

 

we dont need it to be optically character recognised and converted to differing fonts sizes

 

read our upload guide carefully please

 

same with you picture

put everything in one multipage pdf

 

dx

 

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

 

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

 

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

 

 

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dont bother with the SRA yet, that should be after the case is either dropped or you have won.

 

Your contact OPS directly, they pay the solicitors to do what they want so will be told what to do.

if they do try to lodge a claim via your old addy it will be OPS that are in trouble unless they can prove they told DCB legal to only write to new addy.

 

Lawyers are like taxi drivers, they go where their clients want them to go except when it is illegal to do so and the they are liable for their own mistakes

 

we would like to see the piccies of the car park.

It doesn't matter you car isn't in the pictures when you are arguing about whether an offer of a contractual consideration was clear enough.

 

If i ran a car park in Brighton and had a term that says no parking on the moon and ticketed you claiming you were there would a court expect you to produce a picture of your car on the moon to prove it wasn't there?

better to show the impossibility of the offer than trying to jump through their hoops

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16 minutes ago, Rmg2020 said:

I think i have done this now. Sorry not very technical . Do you mean put everything i have attached in one document?

 

That seems to be what you've done. Clever. :)

 

HB

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Here is the case I talked about on an earlier post-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ejv0ytejgnu4f57/One Parking Solution v Ms W 5 Feb 2020.pdf?dl=0

just ignore signing in  and read the whole case and then you will understand why OPS shouldn't take you to Court.

And why you shouldn't even think of paying them a penny.

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I am sending this to them. Any feedback appreciated!

 

To whom it may concern, 

Your agent DCb  have been sending letter to my old address.  Please note my new address which has been changed with DVLA for at least two years is : xxxxxxx

I dispute the Parking charge notice that was issued originally and have contacted your agents previously of such and have not received any correspondence back. 
The car park is a disgrace and more like a dumping tip . 

Furthermore,  your agent has added on an unlawful fee to the PCN which several judges in court have said is an abuse of the process and have discontinued  the the cases. Your particular company have been called crooks by the judge at the local country Court in Lewes, so you're more than welcome to continue this unlawful case. 

I will be also writing to the SRA to advise them of your agents abuse of adding unlawful charges.  

Yours sincerely, 

ARRIENI

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I would just send the details about the address, don't  mention the other stuff it will only encourage them, just hang fire until a couple more CAGGER's have responded.

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yep simply ref their PCN NUMBER or their ref number

 

please note my new address.

 

thank you.

 

dx

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

 

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

 

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

 

 

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