US elections November 2024 [amended 18/04/24 - HB]

[London1971]

You are preaching to the converted here. Sadly I have lots of friends and family in the US who think Biden stole the election. Some are being quite public about it on Facebook.

 

[honeybee13]

What's the narrative on the election being stolen for your relatives, London?

[London1971]

Not all of them, most of my family are democrats die hard. But my wife’s family , the men think Trump is great and that the democrats would do anything to unseat their great leader. I got one friend who is tweeting stupid conspiracy theories also, things like pictures of a grave yard, and jo Biden saying thanks for the votes guys!

 

Although to cheer you up a Reuter’s poll has shown 80% of the US believes Biden won, including 60% of Republicans.

[honeybee13]

So they're concentrating on voter fraud and other alleged forms of cheating by the Democrats?

[tobyjugg2]

Democratic House committee chairmen sent letters Tuesday demanding that the White House and more than 50 federal agencies preserve all records now that Joe Biden is projected as president-elect.

"As the Trump Administration prepares for the transition of power to the new Biden Administration, we write to remind you that all Executive Office of the President employees and officials must comply with record preservation obligations set forth in federal law and preserve information relevant to congressional oversight," the chairmen wrote to White House counsel Pat Cipollone.

nbcnews

[honeybee13]

It's a shame they had to remind Trump's people but I can see why they would.

[honeybee13]

The Guardian has an update on Trump's various lawsuits.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/donald-trump-longshot-election-lawsuits

[tobyjugg2]

Thing is, Trump; with the active support of senior Republicans; will soon be setting a precedent for obstructing handover when a president loses to 'the other side' 

not 'quite there yet as bluster and blowharding doesn't cut it, but its skirting it.

 

Not sure about potential charges for abuse of federal process lining up to add to the rest though as Pres can largely order whatever as long as its done properly.

Barr could be in for a world of pain though ...

 

[tobyjugg2]

He'll probably try to hold out until dec 14th trying whatever he can to:

* try to stay in power by any means

* cast doubt on everything, especially the democratic vote,  and enflame his supporters

* Mess up the transition

* Make it as hard as possible for the next administration

 

I hope he'll fail on all counts.

 

[tobyjugg2]

https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election

 

Joint Statement from Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council & the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Executive Committees

“The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history. Right now, across the country, election officials are reviewing and double checking the entire election process prior to finalizing the result. 

“When states have close elections, many will recount ballots. All of the states with close results in the 2020 presidential race have paper records of each vote, allowing the ability to go back and count each ballot if necessary. This is an added benefit for security and resilience. This process allows for the identification and correction of any mistakes or errors.

 

There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised."

 

“While we know there are many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process of our elections, we can assure you we have the utmost confidence in the security and integrity of our elections, and you should too. When you have questions, turn to elections officials as trusted voices as they administer elections.”

 

 

The statement’s authors include

the presidents of the National Association of State Election Directors

the National Association of Secretaries of State — who run elections at the state level

and the executive committee of the government-industry coordinating council that includes all the major voting equipment vendors.

[honeybee13]

This is really dragging on, isnt it? Trump's team seem to have moved from trying to get votes disqualified to holding up the results in Wisconsin, Michigan, etc and generally discrediting the result.

[tobyjugg2]

at least he's apparently been blocked from initiating a strike on Iran

[honeybee13]

Has he? That's one mercy then.

[honeybee13]

The legal campaign's going well then. The recount in Wisconsin gave Trump more votes but Biden even more, at a cost of $3m. And a donor to the organisation bringing the failed cases is suing to get his $2.5m back.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/28/joe-biden-gains-votes-in-wisconsin-county-after-trump-ordered-recount

[unclebulgaria67]

You wonder what Trump is up to?  Would the US Supreme Court with Republican Judges holding a majority be able to help undermine democracy ?  I very much doubt they have any grounds to offer Trump any assistance with having some votes cast by post excluded.  Democrats had much more postal votes, so would be harmed, if Judges decided that the elections held in some areas were faulty in some way.

[tobyjugg2]

29 minutes ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

You wonder what Trump is up to?  Would the US Supreme Court with Republican Judges holding a majority be able to help undermine democracy ?

 

Cant see it myself

 

Ban abortions - yep

Get rid of obamacare - most of it and in stages - yep

Allow the erosion of particular rights via 'local' and indirect actions - absolutely

Blatantly trash the constitution - Nope

 

Johnson and crew has and would (our equivalent) with the MPs they now have

- Trump would if he could - but neither the Senate nor the house of representatives would or will allow it. Thats not to say damage hasn't been done.

 

Even Trump allegedly enabling the alleged Israeli/certain Arab state assassination in Iran doesn't breach the constitution in any way

- quite the opposite.

 

[honeybee13]

This is very powerful, I think. Top election official from Georgia asks Trump and two Georgia Republican candidates for the Senate to tell their supporters not to commit violence.

 

And he has a go at the Trump lawyer who said the head of Cisa should be shot. I agree with him, it's all wrong.

 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1333919015174098950

 

[tobyjugg2]

Georgia is still the remaining battle ground to be won or lost

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/09/stacey-abrams-georgia-senate-run-off-election

 

 

[honeybee13]

That's an interesting article, TJ, thank you.

[tobyjugg2]

Seem Bidens confirmed that he wont be in any hurry at all to sign a deal .. with anyone

 

Rumour has it that he thinks he can get most of what he wants without committing to very much at all as a number of the brexit MP's want to ship in US food at a profit and cheaper than UK prduced meat which will only be for the wealthy tables

 

.. with not a thought for the US'S use growth promoting products banned in the EU including  bacitracin with its tendency to create antibiotic resistant bacteria - even resistant to antibiotics of last resort.

Edited December 2, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

This is just so appalling. Trump is pardoning all and sundry who know him and also trying to pre-pardon people for future offences or court cases, for whatever.

 

But he's trying to speed up executions and reintroduce even more horrible ways of killing people, regardless of the circumstances of their conviction, before he leaves office.

 

The contradiction is shocking, I think it could be the worst thing he's done.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/03/donald-trump-pardons-family-clemency-death-penalty

[tobyjugg2]

and Trumps heading for Georgia, presumably to 'help those Republican incumbents he is constantly stating presided over a criminally corrupt/incompetent election that let Biden 'steal the vote

By blowing more of the same obnoxious wind, or alternatively admitting that he was BS'ing and that the incumbant Republicans are competent and worth voting for

 

.. wonder which?

[dx100uk]

na

they didn't get the infection rate up high enough in the area and need to ensure it's the state that pushes the daily infection rate above 3000 per day else their master  plan of killing 5000 citizens each day and be able to blame all the deaths on biden won't succeed.

 

his tack is to get the death rate consistently above his rate in every month for a good 1yrs then go for kicking biden out in the midterm elections.

[London1971]

Trump only cares about himself and he can’t face the fact he’s going to be irrelevant in 50 days. I don’t get it myself , in my wife’s family who are nearly all in America, all the men vote for Trump. The women quietly roll their eyes and vote Democrat!

[tobyjugg2]

17 minutes ago, dx100uk said:

na

they didn't get the infection rate up high enough in the area and need to ensure it's the state that pushes the daily infection rate above 3000 per day else their master  plan of killing 5000 citizens each day and be able to blame all the deaths on biden won't succeed.

 

his tack is to get the death rate consistently above his rate in every month for a good 1yrs then go for kicking biden out in the midterm elections.

 

Self defeating if it kills mostly rabid Trumpian rebublicans

 

err Forget I said that.