US elections November 2024 [amended 18/04/24 - HB]

[tobyjugg2]

Even chief rat Murdoch is deserting the sinking shi*

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/07/rupert-murdoch-owned-us-outlets-turn-on-trump-urging-him-to-concede-with-grace

 

Once the Trump has gone we just need to get rid of the skidmark we have, and kick the chief rat out of the UK

[tobyjugg2]

I've been flipping through a dozen news services across the world (Europe, UK, Africa, China, AJ, USA - CNN, Bloomberg ...) and only one is talking about 'irregularities' in the US vote apparently supporting Trumps equine poop ...

... Russia today

.. not checked fox news mind you

[honeybee13]

I haven't watched Fox News but they've been moving away from Trump in the last few weeks. I did read that presenters were told not to echo arguments about fraud, etc the other day.

[tobyjugg2]

and of course Rabb on the bbc refusing to actually say the vote is legitimate and using weasel words to avoid contradicting Trump

 

... so thats Russia Today and the UK 'Tory leadership on the Boris Broadcasting Company

 

Edited November 8, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Breaking News

Biden agrees an initial trade deal with UK based on Uk-Japan deal

 

Britain can export unlimited home bred Pandas to the US tariff free

In return, the US will export cars, beef, chicken and pork to the UK tariff and regulation free.

 

This is expected to be the basis for an expanded uk-us trade deal in the coming weeks and months.

[honeybee13]

It probably doesn't come as a surprise to Joe Biden and it doesn't to me, but Trump's scorched earth policy is starting. There was a scary article by his [psychologist] niece at the weekend that said all he has left now is breaking things and two and a half months to do it.

 

His officials won't sign the paperwork to start off the transition process. Sort of understandable as not all the votes have been counted and whoever declares the official result hasn't done that yet.

 

The sackings of anyone seen to be unloyal have started and imagine there will be a load of law suits later today.

[London1971]

In other news there is stuff and all he can do, aside from ignore the pandemic, which is what he's been doing all along anyway.  If he wants, the US government can come and remove him by force, which honestly would be the best piece of TV ever. He can't do anything stupid militarily because Biden / Harris are now in the decision loop. All he can do is spread his BS and hold rallies.

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

2 hours ago, London1971 said:

All he can do is spread his BS and hold rallies.

 

 

and spread Coronavirus in his rallies

 

Pardon?

 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-election-pardon-explainer/explainer-can-trump-pardon-his-associates-or-himself-idUKKBN27O0GG

 

 

[London1971]

He's doing that knowingly and deliberately. And even when he's gone and slung out of the White House, he will keep doing it.

[tobyjugg2]

Just like the 'racist, shapeshifting creep, slavish devotee of Trump we have

 

Thats going to be darkly interesting. Another reason for the ERG to get rid of Johnson.

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/biden-ally-lashes-out-at-shapeshifting-creep-johnsons-racist-comments/08/11/

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/us-election-boris-johnson-trump-biden-emily-thornberry-b1691752.html

Edited November 9, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[London1971]

I do think that it's wrong to compare Johnson and Trump, there are many reasons for this, both personality wise and actions that have been taken, although it is tempting to go down that route. 

 

It's also worth taking a look outside of the English language bubble and see what's going on in places like Switzerland at the moment, in terms of the pandemic their response is far more laissez faire than even the US.  In fact no European Country seems to be a particularly shining example of what we should be doing better at the moment.

 

Not to say that our response hasn't been a shambles but context is always a good thing.

[tobyjugg2]

It seems to be the Biden/Harris administration opinion, and its certainly mine.

 

Johnson is a lying, racist, politically and managerially incompetent opportunist

All (with the possible exception of politically incompetent) are simply smaller versions of Trump core 'values.

 

Whats Johnsons latest BS - a Tunnel to Ireland from Scotland

- which is what he allegedly actually 'meant in his analogy bridge to Ireland

 

All complete 'garden bridge on steroids' cobblers and would only feed more millions of taxpayer money to wealthy mates while delivering sod all but debt to the nation

- also like Trump

 

Trump at least negotiated some arguably better international deals for the US

Edited November 9, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

14 hours ago, tobyjugg2 said:

Breaking News (updated)

Biden agrees an initial trade deal with UK based on Uk-Japan deal

 

Britain can export home bred Pandas to the US tariff free (quotas apply)

In return, the US will export cars, beef, chicken and pork and 'meat' products to the UK tariff, regulation and quota free.

 

This is expected to be the basis for an expanded US->uk free trade deal in the coming weeks and months.

 

note: 'free trade': US goods tariff, regulation and quota free. UK produce - further terms apply under control of US trade body

note2: 'meat' defined by relevant  US trade body under jurisdiction of US courts

 

 

corrected

[London1971]

As I said much is true about Johnson, but Johnson is not doing this.

 

1 Denying Covid exists , deliberately running super spreader events .

 

2. Not intervening at all to stop Covid spreading.

 

3.Throwing out racist dog whistles

 

4. Encouraging violence

 

5 Actively discouraging mask use

 

6 Preaching out random dangerous conspiracy theories, 

 

Plenty of other reasons why he isn’t comparable in any way other than superficially.  Not saying Johnson isn’t awful, but it’s just ridiculous to try and compare apples and oranges here.

[tobyjugg2]

12 minutes ago, London1971 said:

As I said much is true about Johnson, but Johnson is not doing this.

 

1 Denying Covid exists , deliberately running super spreader events . - not so much now at least - he did + remember handshaking and Jenrick +cummings support

 

2. Not intervening at all to stop Covid spreading. - nope just wasting money on serco and fake ppe companies

 

3.Throwing out racist dog whistles - WHAT - where you been? piccninnies, letterboxs, Obama slur cannabals etc etc ....

 

4. Encouraging violence - encouraging division with racist dog whistles

 

5 Actively discouraging mask use - well thats largely true NOW - he was saying they shouldn't be worn

 

6 Preaching out random dangerous conspiracy theories, - His whole premiership is based on them - Turkey joining EU etc

 

Plenty of other reasons why he isn’t comparable in any way other than superficially.  Not saying Johnson isn’t awful, but it’s just ridiculous to try and compare apples and oranges here.

 

 

Try again

Edited November 9, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[London1971]

As an aside this is a fascinating and disturbing thread on Twitter worth a few minutes of your time

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

They gonna be crying soon enough

 

Even republicans deserting Trump like a new exodus

[tobyjugg2]

of course, Trump also opposed gay rights

Johnson 'just' used carefully worded divisive hate speech  ...

 

one example:

 

"In 2001, Johnson wrote in his book Friends, Voters, Countrymen that “if gay marriage was OK – and I was uncertain on the issue – then I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men, or indeed three men and a dog”

 

taken from the Johnson audit series.

 

 

Mini-Trump - inward and outward

No way he would, should or probably could have won if not for Corbyn.

 

[tobyjugg2]

Can anyone explain to me how almost half of the voting US people voted for Trump

 

Not vague stuff, something with a good bit of reasoning behind it.

 

Now we know that a lot of black voters were disenfranchised by the Trump administration long before this vote - and we may see more detail on that in the Georgia run offs

 

and the issues around fracking (true or false) may have disenfranchised Biden - although he probably gained as many as he lost

 

I even think I broadly understand how Trump got elected as a 'reality TV' president, and how Johnson got elected.

 

But I am largely clueless as to why Americans would vote for him again in such numbers when a number of true republicans stated they would vote for Biden rather than Trump - clearly not many though.

 

 

Edited November 9, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Looking promising

 

U.S. election security agency debunks fraud claims

As unfounded conspiracy theories pile up to challenge the fact that Joe Biden is the projected winner of the 2020 presidential election, the country’s top election security agency is rapidly debunking them.

The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, the federal agency that oversees the security and integrity of election infrastructure, maintains a “rumor control” blog to correct false claims about elections and voting, which has been particularly active in recent days.

The agency’s head, Chris Krebs, a Trump appointee, is personally actively debunking such claims, such as that officials gave Sharpie markers to some voters to invalidate their ballots (those ballots are still counted) or the “hammer and scorecard” conspiracy theory, which holds that a mythical computer system secretly changed votes across the country, inexplicably bypassing audits, the fact that states independently conduct elections, and that most votes were cast on paper ballots.

Same as yesterday, Hammer and Scorecard is still a hoax. Thats it. That’s the tweet. https://t.co/jIwZlt3uDw

— Chris Krebs #Protect2020 (@CISAKrebs) November 9, 2020

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/live-blog/2020-11-09-biden-trump-2020-election-n1247064/ncrd1247084

[honeybee13]

They've found an instance of voter fraud! It's a Trump supporter.

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/-trump-supporter-arrested-voter-fraud-pennsylvania_n_5f91e43ec5b61c185f4848de

[tobyjugg2]

The republicans 'slow walk' Bidens takeover and increase attacks on their own that wont blatantly abuse the systems

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/georgia-s-republican-secretary-state-rejects-call-resignation-two-gop-n1247187

.. as if reducing the mail service and reducing vote drop off points isnt enough ..

.. Imagine one or two postal vote drop of points for Cornwall or Lincolnshire for our elections

 

and the guy who has and would again challenge using US armed military against civilian protests

https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon/2020/11/09/esper-fired-as-secretary-of-defense/

 

Mad as it is, it seems it could be Trumps actually trying to line up what would effectively be a coup. He's totally lost it.

He must be pretty sure that criminal charges are lined up, and that Biden will quickly reverse all the vote hindering policies.

 

 

plus

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/live-blog/2020-11-09-biden-trump-2020-election-n1247064/ncrd1247221

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/live-blog/2020-11-09-biden-trump-2020-election-n1247064/ncrd1247205

Edited November 10, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

A postal worker whose affidavit the Republicans were relying on to prove election fraud in Pennsylvania has withdrawn it after an investigation started.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/us-postal-worker-recants-voter-fraud-claims-after-republicans-call-for-inquiry

[London1971]

Trump is indeed dumb as rocks , perhaps the real fear is if a Future smarter, slicker, wannabe Idi Amin wanted to instigate a coup, he’d have a pretty good precedent .

[tobyjugg2]

still no evidence despite Republican offering a one million dollar bounty/bribe for anyone who can supply eveidence

- bet theres a few (inc republicans) who could supply evidence of republican fraud (threatening employees with sack if they vote democrat for starters)  now wouldn't that be novel ...

Dont think they would pay out on that lol

 

Doesn't say much about any evidence they (don't) have if they have to bribe people to come up with some does it?