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Hi,  

I was in Sainsbury’s today and did scan and shop. I arrived in after a busy day at work and immediately got distracted by the clothes.

 

I put a few things in my trolley and then did a shop. I paid and was about to get into my car when the security guard stopped me and asked me to come back in.

 

I did and they took me upstairs. I was mortified and said I forgot to scan the clothes and a conditioner, 5 items. I know its unacceptable but I was distracted and Initially hadn’t really planned to use scan and shop.

 

No excuse. I offered to pay for the goods but the manager said it was too late. He looked at the CCTV and because I didn’t try to scan the items he was phoning the police.

 

The cost of the items was about £40. I was crying at this point and told them I was a nurse, just coming from work and I could get struck off.

 

They rang the police anyway and they came and issued me with a community resolution notice, which goes off my record in a year. I feel terrible. I have to declare this to my employer and NMC.

 

They kept me in a room on my own with 4 staff and have banned me from all stores. The police said if I didn’t do the community order I would go to court and they would refer me to the PPS.

 

I’m so stressed, can u appeal this or should I just accept it?

 

Thanks for reading 

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as far as I remember Community resolutions do not constitute a criminal record and are not currently recorded on the Police National Computer. They are however recorded on police information systems and can be accessed for their intelligence purposes only, they don't show even on ehnanced persons checks.

 

who said you have to declare it?

 

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I was mid way through doing your post and creating a thread for you

 

have a read of my reply above please

 

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Hey thanks for the reply. 
it does show up in an enhanced check unfortunately and the nmc which is our regulating body states you have to declare all police cautions etc 

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Sorry to hear you been treated in such a manner that neither store or police took your role or potentially extenuating circumstances into account, being under pressure / work load / previous history if any. 

 

What i dont get is didnt they offer you a police caution at all, years gone by first offence for specific crimes would just earn you a caution, unless you've got any police history?

 

Just seems a little unfair , unless cautions dont exist any more, what exactly is a resolution order, a promise not to commit the same offence within the year, else you could be charged for that offence as well?

 

It may well have been better to force them to arrest you, take you to the nick where you could have got duty brief and cautioned?

 

Sorry hope things work out

 

 

 

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HI

 

This is from West Midlands Police:

 

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Do community resolutions show up on Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) checks?
 

Community Resolutions are not disclosed as part of a standard check.

 

They might be disclosed as part of an enhanced check for certain offences in the ‘relevant information’ section, i.e. the offence has a bearing on the kind of work you are applying for.  

 

READ MORE HEREhttps://west-midlands.police.uk/your-options/community-resolution

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Sad as this is. 

The use of the scanner system to do your shop is based on trust without error.

It seemed a bit harsh on the store manager`s behalf but he/she would have a policy and procedure to follow as he/she might lose their job for not following the process.

 

Is there a warning notice beside the scanners indicating something like  "You must scan all items in your basket" "Failure to do so will be deemed as shoplifting and could lead to possible prosecution"

Check the store and see if there is such a notice.

 

If there is not such a notice displayed you may have an option to appeal to the store and police for wrongful prosecution and not allowing for human error. 

 

I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but accepting the punishment there and then may restrict your chance of appeal.

 

I wish you well  

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How many items did you purchase overall on that receipt? Are we taking about 5/200 items or 5/10 items?

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I am fairly sure that cautions are recorded, at least they would be brought up if there are any other similar cases.

To  be fair, what were the shop supposed to do? Nurse or no, she broke the law.

A round of applause perhaps?


DO NOT PAY UPFRONT FEES TO COLD CALLERS PROMISING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS

DO NOT PAY UPFRONT FEES FOR COSTLY TELEPHONE CONSULTATIONS WITH SO CALLED "EXPERTS" THEY INVARIABLY ARE NOTHING OF THE SORT

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You’re a lovely person, I bet you go round forums just waiting to post a negative comment in order to make yourself feel good. 

I didn’t say they were at fault or that I wasn’t in the wrong. I actually said no excuse, but I was asking for advice and if it had happened to anyone else. 
Cautions are recorded but as my post also said, this wasn’t a caution. 

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Blimey you spotted that quick....


please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

the biggest financial industry in the UK, DCA;s would collapse overnight.

 

 

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Just happened to be checking my emails when I saw the reply. 

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ah p'haps i used the wrong word spotted...observation...

 


please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

the biggest financial industry in the UK, DCA;s would collapse overnight.

 

 

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On 14/07/2020 at 19:13, Pug Lover81 said:

You’re a lovely person, I bet you go round forums just waiting to post a negative comment in order to make yourself feel good. 

I didn’t say they were at fault or that I wasn’t in the wrong. I actually said no excuse, but I was asking for advice and if it had happened to anyone else. 
Cautions are recorded but as my post also said, this wasn’t a caution. 

Why thank you.

 

I also hate dogs, especially the little barky ones.


DO NOT PAY UPFRONT FEES TO COLD CALLERS PROMISING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS

DO NOT PAY UPFRONT FEES FOR COSTLY TELEPHONE CONSULTATIONS WITH SO CALLED "EXPERTS" THEY INVARIABLY ARE NOTHING OF THE SORT

BEWARE OF QUICK FIX DEBT SOLUTIONS, IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE IT INVARIABLY IS

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Off topic post removed.

 

HB

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More info here

https://www.askthe.police.uk/Content/Q760.htm

 

 


DO NOT PAY UPFRONT FEES TO COLD CALLERS PROMISING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS

DO NOT PAY UPFRONT FEES FOR COSTLY TELEPHONE CONSULTATIONS WITH SO CALLED "EXPERTS" THEY INVARIABLY ARE NOTHING OF THE SORT

BEWARE OF QUICK FIX DEBT SOLUTIONS, IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE IT INVARIABLY IS

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I know it has been a while since I last contacted you, my apologies.

As in my last post.

I asked if there was a disclaimer warning notice relating to the use of the scanners.

 

If there was no such notice then they have not allowed for human error and by default you would not be charged.

I am sure that if customers knew of such a notice they would either not use the scanners or they would be extra vigilant when using the scanner if they knew what the consequences would be. 

 

If there is no such notice have you appealed to their claim of shoplifting theft.

 

Yours

Shalamar138    

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