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@lookinforinfo .... Is there grounds to appeal or challenge the judgement in that case LIFI? -
I don't think it's quite as bad as that Dave. I seem to remember the brother has no driving licence? So any snotty letter would be a real doozy! And if they pursue it further after that, they would look extremely foolish... As long as the brother definitely didn't appeal as the driver, of course. -
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Based on ECP's previous, what will definitely happen is this. They will send more idiotic letters. After they will send a Letter of Claim, and it is essential that your brother replies at this point to this to show them he would be big trouble in court. Next it is highly likely (but not certain) that they will crawl back under their stone and that will be the end of the matter. The slight worry is that if they do do court it will seem a likely story to a judge that your brother has no connection to the ticket, when it was him who appealed and replied to the Letter of Claim. Indeed I think it would seem the lot of you were playing games with ECP and with the court by getting unconnected people involved and then later deny they were involved. So be aware there is that slight risk. You talked about "a mess" in your first post, and you weren't wrong. Someone hires a car and gets a ticket. There is an appeal. Who appeals, the hirer? No, the hirer's mate's son. Obvious! There is an approach for help to a consumer website. By the hirer? No, by the hirer's mate's son's brother! This is so damn silly and totally avoidable. Anyway, it seems the decision has been made for your brother to carry the can so whatever consequences will ensue will ensue.
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