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Bolik

Marston bailiffs sold my car while N244 processed by TEC

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Hello everyone,

I hope someone can help me get some sort of clarification and advise as to how to proceed next.

I will try and keep this brief.

I had moved out of the previous address and moved abroad in the car.

While I was abroad it seems all correspondence from TFL and Bailiffs were sent to the previous address, because the vehicle remained registered to the old address.

My previous address was in the Congestion Charge Zone, despite holding a Resident’s Discount I have been charged a full amount for crossing CC zone.

At the end of the months due to the TFL's system glitch the payment was not been processed via previously registered payment method (direct debit), and consequently, the TFL issued PCNs for non-payment of appropriate charge.

As a result, when I came back to the UK and rented accommodation at my current address, I have notified DVLA.

However, my car been seized by a bailiff and towed away without giving any notification.

 

I become aware after reporting to the police.

The vehicle contained exempt trading tools.

Notably, a new logbook arrived after 3 months when the car was towed away.

I have gone through the Statutory Declaration Out of Time process and have been granted permission to file my Stat Decs Out of Time by the Local County Court.

However, some of the N244 Applications were refused.

Despite the fact that most of the PCN were reissued to the current address, where I had a chance to challenge them, the bailiffs demanded to pay an initial debt including the paid penalties and the storage fees for all time while the car was stored at the car pound.

I was waiting for the hearing of my last N244 application at the Local County Court when I had a call from the person who had bought my car and was asking whether I can sell the car keys. Also, they stated the car boot was empty, neither construction tools nor personal belongings were contained in the car.

Please let me know what our next step is in this process.
Thanks

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I am very confused by some of what you have said above but hopefully things will become clearer if you could answer the following:

 

You mention that penalties had been issued by Transport for London.

 

How many penalties were issued?

How many Out of Time Statutory Declarations did you submit?

I am assuming that they were all initially rejected?

Did you submit all of the N244 Applications at the same time?

Was each N244 Application sent to the Traffic Enforcement Centre individually (in other words, if they were sent by email, was EACH application sent individually)?

If so, did you receive an automated email from the Traffic Enforcement Centre for each application?

Did you have to pay a fee to file the N244's or were you exempt from paying?

How much did you pay?

Did you request that the N244 Applications were to be decided with or without a personal hearing?

 

 

 

 

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Hello, 

 

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How many penalties were issued?

TFL was  issued 23 PCNs. You might ask why  so many PCN's were issued. Once a vehicle registered for the  Congestion Charge (CC) AutopPay and for the CC Resident's Discount a  discounted rate of 90% collected  each month via the registered payment method (direct debit).

 

On 15/05/2020 at 13:35, Bailiff Advice said:

How many Out of Time Statutory Declarations did you submit?

The Statutory Declarations  Out of Time were submitted to the TEC online  in one go on 13.11.2018. The court officer refused all 23 applications in December, 2018. After that I have filed the N244 online again to the TEC asking to review the decision made made by the court officer. 

 

On 15/05/2020 at 13:35, Bailiff Advice said:

I am assuming that they were all initially rejected?

13 of the N244 application  were granted and later reissued to the current address.  Later  7 of the remained  N244 were refused as one of the TEC staff advised they have received my evidence of income ( all evidence was send online).

 

On 15/05/2020 at 13:35, Bailiff Advice said:

Was each N244 Application sent to the Traffic Enforcement Centre individually (in other words, if they were sent by email, was EACH application sent individually)?

Each application was sent separately with an attached evidence and X160 Ref number (Help with Fees)

 

On 15/05/2020 at 13:35, Bailiff Advice said:

Did you have to pay a fee to file the N244's or were you exempt from paying?

No, I was in low income, I was eligible to apply for help with fees by feeling x160, that I did online.

 

On 15/05/2020 at 13:35, Bailiff Advice said:

If so, did you receive an automated email from the Traffic Enforcement Centre for each application?

Yes, I have received a confirmation letter form the TEC.

 

On 15/05/2020 at 13:35, Bailiff Advice said:

Did you request that the N244 Applications were to be decided with or without a personal hearing?

Finally, I have filed  the remained  10 applications N244 asking the Tec  asking to  review the Deputy Judge's decision  the case to the local Court, where 5 applications were granted, 4 applications were refused and 1 application was lost ( the Tec confirmed it, the Local Court had never received the case papers).

Worth to note, all applications were review separately and the court hearing were stretched for almost a year.

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Thank you for your earlier responses to my questions.

I have further queries on the N244 applications, but in the meantime, can you elaborate further on the actual seizure of the car.

 

You mention that you had a call from the person who purchased your car asking whether you can 'sell the car keys'' and that the 'boot was empty' and that construction tools and personal belongings appeared to be missing. 

 

I am assuming that the car was seized BEFORE you filed Out of Time witness statements (and N244 Applications). Is this the case?

 

Clearly, at some stage you SOLD the vehicle. I am confused at this because the title of this thread is : Bailiffs sold MY car while N244 processed by TEC.  When the car removed to the pound was it still owned by you? If so, when was this? 

 

When did you sell the car? 

How much was the sale price?

Did you advise DVLA of the sale?

When was the car sold by the bailiff company?

Do you have any idea how much it was sold for?

 

 

 

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Thank you for your earlier responses to my questions.

I have further queries on the N244 applications, but in the meantime, can you elaborate further on the actual seizure of the car.

 

You mention that you had a call from the person who purchased your car asking whether you can 'sell the car keys'' and that the 'boot was empty' and that construction tools and personal belongings appeared to be missing. 

 

I am assuming that the car was seized BEFORE you filed Out of Time witness statements (and N244 Applications). Is this the case?

 

 

Hello,  thanks for reply, 

 

The car was clamped and towed away  to bailiffs' car pound on 30 October 2018; 

I filled  and sent online to the TEC   22  of OOT applications on 13 November 2018;

So far 17 penalties were resent to my current address (17 of N244 were successive), 4 applications were refused, 1 application is in process;

I still waiting a date hearing, as the  last N244 was sent to Local County Court. In the end of March I received the telephone call from the person, who said he had purchased recently my car on the auction. He confirmed the model and registration number. He also stated the car was sold without documents and the keys for cheap,  therefore he asked if I still hold the keys and would I sell it to him. When I asked about the tools in the boot, he advised the car was empty, no trading tools nor personal belongings apart pair of shoes and working trousers. 

There was a full car boot of my construction trading tools worth near £1500.

 

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Clearly, at some stage you SOLD the vehicle. I am confused at this because the title of this thread is : Bailiffs sold MY car while N244 processed by TEC.  When the car removed to the pound was it still owned by you? If so, when was this? 

When was the car sold by the bailiff company?

Do you have any idea how much it was sold for?

 

I am sorry for confusion, but I did not sold the car, it was towed away and it was remained at the bailiffs car pound.  The bailiff company has sold it presumably in February or March. I think it was sold for very cheap price. But I don't know, I can't find out it now due the Covid-19, as the Bailiffs are not operating currently.

Thanks 

 

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After they took the vehicle was you sent a notice containing an estimate of the sale price and details of the auction?


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I have attached the copy of letter sent to the previus address. This letter was mentioned in the Bailiffs' file history in responce to the DSAR Request.

But I never seen this letter because I haven't got any relation with old address anymore.

I never received correspondence regarding the sale of the car.

 

 

marstons goods removed valuation.pdf

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images posted to screen converted to PDF

please read upload

thread title updated.

 

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if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

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Thanks for the info

So the car was taken on the 30th of October and sold on the 14 November. As per the notice.

 

But you had sent your SD on the 13 of November, the day before it was sold?

 

I notice the valuation was above the warrant sum by quite an amount. Did you get a refund

 

Or was the rest made up of disspersements (storage))

Do you have a gbreakdown of appropriation of proceeds?

 


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6 hours ago, Bolik said:

I did not sold the car, it was towed away and it was remained at the bailiffs car pound.  The bailiff company has sold it presumably in February or March. I think it was sold for very cheap price. But I don't know, I can't find out it now due the Covid-19, as the Bailiffs are not operating currently.

Thanks

 

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Sorry, where was the car taken from? your drive or off the road?


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It was taken off the road at  the new address

 

At 22th of January during the conversation with Enforcement representatives

I have been told that in order to get the car I need to pay £20921,

where £7400 for the warrant

and £13470 are for the storage fees while the car was in car pound.

 

I have pointed out that 17 penalties from the warrant have been reissued by the TFL (due to the 17 granted n244) and paid Off.

 

My statement was ignored as representative advised they have not been informed.

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