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Hi all,

 

My son in law to be has gotten himself in a pickle with his previous employer (Stonegate Pubs Ltd)

When he was employed by them as a barman he had a MORE card, Stonegates version of a clubcard.

 

Now he admits to me that he used to swipe it and collect unclaimed points at the bar and yes he had a few free beers and plates of chips when he was out of work and in one of their pubs but since he left they have come after him with a bill which greatly exceeds what he thinks he should owe.

Now I don't have any idea just what his liability is in this instance.

 

I have attached a copy of the letter he received from BLP  but the one thing I note within the wording is they have used the word "estimate" when arriving at a sum of money. This I am fairly sure wouldn't hold water in court on that alone.

 

Also they claim to have gone through CCTV showing him swiping his own card.

Again, I find it difficult to believe that they would sit through hours of CCTV for what is IMO a trivial matter.

 

If it were me I would treat this much the same way as a private parking fine and let them whistle without contact but being a bit green he has replied to them and although not admitting the full amount he has acknowledged there is a problem.

They are already playing hard ball and insisting in full and final payment!

 

Now would he not be entitled to see a breakdown of their "estimate" and also copies of the incriminating CCTV?

 

Any help greatly appreciated.

 

Chris

 

BLP letter.pdf

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ive converted you image to PDF so we can zoom and read.

 

1st..private parking speculative invoices are not fines

 

2nd much the same as above

its a clever letter that doesn't say WILL anything and all these ambulance chasers are doing is trying to line their own pockets with free money that the retailer won't see a penny of.

 

it is safe to ignore them totally.

 

should the RETAILER wish to proceed with this he would get letters from THEM not this bunch of fleecers.

 

please comeback should he, but pigs don't fly!!

 

dx

 


please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

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Hi DX,

 

Thanks or the reply.

 

The original contact was made by the brewery, he failed to mention this.

 

I will paste the email in below leaving out personal info.

 

From: Stefan Sroczynski <Stefan.Sroczynski@stonegatepubs.com>
Sent: 14 February 2020 10:54
To:
Subject: Fraud Investigation
 

14/02/2020

Dear

In my role as Fraud Manager for Stonegate Pub Company I was carrying out a scheduled visit to your former place of work, The Bloomery in Sheffield. The purpose of my visit was to investigate till transactions that had flagged up on our IntelliQ system in your name regarding MORE card usage in site.

Your name in particular flagged up as it could be seen that a MORE card registered in your name was being scanned on shift with your Zonal till log in. I have a long list of transactions of this happening. I began to align these transactions against CCTV where you can clearly be seen scanning your MORE card in a fraudulent manner, gaining points from customer’s rounds whilst you are on the bar working. I have a large bank of CCTV evidence showing you take your MORE card from your pocket and swiping it on the till whilst on shift.

As you will know this is against many company policies and is not allowed. Gaining points fraudulently and spending them is treated by Stonegate Pub Company in the same way as someone taking cash from the till.

Your card in question (number ********************) has had a lifetime spend of £4126, £3527 of which has been put through on your own till card. This equates to £352.72 of spendable points that have been fraudulently earnt. At time of investigation the remaining balance on the card was £3.37, leaving the fraud total at £349.35. Stonegate will therefore be looking to recover this money plus the costs of the investigation (£177.60) making the total amount payable by you £526.95.

We will give you the opportunity to pay this back to within 14 days of receipt of this email – should you choose not to do so the case will be passed to our partner County Court debt recovery company, Business Loss Prevention Limited who will recover the money on our behalf.

Please contact myself or ER Support (ER.Support@stonegatepubs.com) stating how you would like to proceed.

 

Many Thanks

 

Stefan Sroczynski | Fraud Manager Midlands

Email: stefan.sroczynski@stonegatepubs.com

https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/StonegateLTC

 

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Another clever letter, intended to put the wind up the recipient.

 

But the devil is in the detail - if your son-in-law doesn't cough up, they threaten to ... get a powerless DCA that can nothing as it's not their debt to, er, send him a letter.  But it'll be a big letter.  That will take ages to open.  

 

He should never have replied and should now start ignoring them. 


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Can i just say that your son is one of 100's a month that this kind of issue arise.

 

even outside of todays climate, there are no examples of employers taking court action, and, his sum is tiny in comparison to others

shame he responded at all

 

Dx


please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

the biggest financial industry in the UK, DCA;s would collapse overnight.

 

 

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Thanks again folks for the advice. The general consensus seems to be to ignore this and leave it to them to follow up if they choose to. I guess we;ll just have to wait and see if they are are just out on a punt or if they mean it. If its the second we''ll cross that bridge when we het there.

 

Chris

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they being Stonegate Pub Company

 

they must abide by the Pre action protocol and send a 30 day letter of claim. before they can ever issue a court claim (never seen one)Stonegate Pub Company

 

if you get a letter of claim from a SOLICITOR not powerless BPL who state their client as Stonegate Pub Company comeback here


please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

 

if everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's tomorrow

the biggest financial industry in the UK, DCA;s would collapse overnight.

 

 

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Nermina Webster is a solicitor but the company she owns isnt a regulated business so THEY cant act on behalf of Stonegate if it is decided that court is the route to take.

Investigation costs are a moot point- the person doing the work will be employed anyway so unless outside auditors used just for thsi job (for example) they cnat charge

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