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Thanks Dx,


Just had the CMD, bit of a stange one.

I felt like it was going my way and then Sherriff seemed to turn and has set a hearing.


- Nolan's advised all documents provided.

- I replied that no NOA or default notice referring to section 88 of CCA etc and also questioned legal assignation.


-Sherriff asked Nolan's why these 2 docs have not been provided, Nolan's advised DN was "unnecessary" and referred to the letter they sent (post #47) as their intimation of assignation.


-Sherriff asked why DN is "unnecessary" and referred to what I said about section 88.

- Nolan's then said the claim is not in respect of default, the claims is for arrears and that the DN does not apply?


- Sherriff seemed confused and asked what Nolan's meant by this.

Nolan's just confirmed it is for arrears and it's different so DN doesn't apply.


- Sherriff asked for my comments on this, this is where I struggled.

I just referred to Section 88 and at this point I have received no proof of claimants legal right to debt.


- Sherriff then advised a hearing will be set, explained we need to submit drafts of evidence which we intend to rely on in court (It was a lot of Jargon, I will clarify once I receive the information from the court).


- What worries me is the Sherriff mentioned that I should be exchanging drafts with Nolan's prior to the hearing date etc etc.


Any thoughts?


Is their letter (Post #47) sufficient NOA?


When I receive information from the court, I will post here what is expected of me prior to the hearing.


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its a numbers game  they make (well actually that diff to know as a decree much like a CCJ can sit there for years not bring enforced. sad diff with a decree is its enforceable for 20yrs, bu

not at all none are silly questions, but what I will say is that your excellent self help has far advanced your understanding of things I really wish others would take that rouble as it

the uploads do not contain a NOA from the OC to the DCA Cabot

usual crap determination of the NOA rules from Nolans..... you need to be educating the sheriff upon the correct regulations surrounding the law Of Properties Act,


as for the DN, again ,, usual crap from Nolans, under the CCA, a DN must have be produced to litigate regardless to 'only wanting the arrears'...funny that, they've tried that before here and lost!! numerous times i'm sure. and ofcourse they ARE litigating for the full outstanding amount which are not just 'arrears'..


nice one Nolan's...

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..


DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs


NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..


If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 



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Thanks DX, I've received the Sherrif order which says:


"The Sheriff, in Chambers, by way of teleconference call, having heard from parties,

Continues the cause to X November 2020 at 10:00am as Hearing on submissions;


Orders written submissions be exchanged between both Parties by no later than X November 2020;


thereafter Orders final Written Submissions, and any other documents either Party may rely on, be lodged with the Court no later than close of business on X November 2020;


directs that said hearing will proceed by way of telephone conference call; and directs parties to lodge electronically with the sheriff clerk (by e-mail to hamiltoncivil@scotcourts.gov.uk) by no later than 12 noon on X November 2020 a note setting out the name, e-mail address, and telephone number of the person who will conduct the hearing for each party."




I had a look on the Scottish courts website and it states "Where parties agree, a hearing may proceed on written submissions or via telephone or video conferencing."


Worried now that I this is something I should have objected to?

Having a look through the other threads I don't see any reference to written submissions in previous cases.


Is this playing into Nolans favour?

They get to essentially see my defence and then pick it to pieces and amend theirs to suit them before final submission?


Should I be thinking about getting legal advice now as I have no idea how to draft a legal submission?


Sorry for the all the questions again and appreciate the help.



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x's aren't helpful. dates please


and it work bothways, nolan's are also disclosing to you 1st as well

at present you are in the driving seat.


no NOA

No DN.


plenty of stuff here on sec 87/88arrears etc etc

you don't need a sols.


dates please




please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..


DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs


NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..


If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 



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Thanks Dx,


- 2 November 2020 - Written submissions be exchanged between both Parties by then.
- 11 November 2020 - Final Written Submissions, and any other documents either Party may rely on, be lodged with the Court.
- 16 November 2020 at 10:00am - Hearing



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