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    • Hi Ade,   Stop speaking to them by phone and keep contact in writing only, which you've said you prefer.   Send TT a SAR by post immediately. The data you get back should enable you to see what they think you owe, and how it's made up.   Also write to BW Legal confirming you dispute the alleged debt owed to TT and have written to TT seeking data, so BWL must stop demands until TT have replied to the SAR you've sent them.
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    • Please check back for a full reply tomorrow. However, it would help if you would introduce pergo spaces into a story full stop it's very long and especially for people with small screens it's very difficult to follow when it is so compacted.   I think this straight has become rather confused because of the third party account which we received at the outset. I think it will probably be helpful if you could repost your story but on a new thread and more openly spaced please.   Then we can start to have a closer look at it. However, as I've already suggested, I think there are two issues. The question of your liability in the accident and the problem of how you have been persuaded to take a rental car at such a high rate.    I would suggest that you hold off telephoneing anyone until we have had a closer look.before you do anything on the telephone. You have obviously had some very important conversations but you don't have any evidence of them. Although the other side may say that they have recorded them, you you may find it difficult to get hold of those recordings if in fact those recordings incriminate them in any way. for instance if they have promised you that you don't have to pay anything for the hire car, that would be an extremely useful conversation to have but you may find that it is difficult to get hold of.   please start a new thread it will be much easier to continue from there                                
    • When I sadly lost my job a while back, i reportd it immpediately to DWP as you are supposed to, but didnt realise at the time that the day I reported to them was the day before I was paid out for the last month. I was actually paid extra whem I left as it was cheaper than redundancy fort the business and at the time it was a good financial move (so I thought).   I was paid on Fri 26th Jan, they paid me out 2 months in one go. I reported to DWP on the 22nd of Han that I was made unemployed, had the letters and evidence. As they spun the story, because of their assesment dates and that, my first payment was on the 1st May and reassured that it works the other way around. That when work starts again, if I dont actually receive money from the company during the assesment period, there wont be an issue as it balances up.   Can I believe this or was it another spun story? I'm concerned that as I'll be paid monthly, (Starting on the 15th paid on the last day of the month), assment ends on the 22nd. Tha they'll take that money into consideration.   I'm just concerned due to the disparity it would cause between 4 odd months I endured with zero income because of how their system works and whatever they ahe in place to counter at this end of the claim.   Anywa, it's just awonder.   Cheers,   Ade    
    • Hi, OP sister here, im going to try and explaine in full details from start to present and see if you have any advice for me on what i can do. on 15/1/2021  at 16:25pm i was traveling along hazlebarrow cresent wich is on my estate at around 30mph, its a tight road with cars parked along the left hand side, as i proceeded through, a van ( which was parked on my left hand side, facing towards me) pulled out from the side of the road, he stopped the van wich resulted in the van being at an angled stationary position on the road. I breaked immediately but the ice and snow skidded my tyers, i skidded into the drivers side of his van, my car bounced off his van and sent my vehicle head first into the back of a parked car ( wich was originally parked at the back of the van before he set off from the side of the road. I will refer to the van driver as MR seddon. ( im going to attatch a street veiw picture and diagram wich will be more helpful in understanding how the accident accured ect) .  The owner of the parked car, which i will refer to as Mr simpson came out of his house. Myself, mr seddon and mr simpson exchanged details and took photos, then i left the scene as my first concern, understandably was to contact my midwife and the hospital. I live just round the corner from the scene of the accident so i slowly drove my car to my property. I contacted Go skippy the next day 16/1/21 and informed them of the accident and gave them all the details ect . by the following monday 18/1/21 i had a call from AX who said they was dealing with my claim as go skippy will not deal with it as i am third party insured. Over the next few days, i complied with their requests ( gave them a written statment of what happened, sent them pictures of the damage to my vehicle and mr seddons van ect). Then on the 19/1/21 AX contacted me again and asked if i need a curtesy vehicle, my first response was ' how much will that cost me?' Of which she replied ' nothing because your insurance covers the cost'. I agreed to the curtesy vehicle and the vehicle was delivered to me on the 20/1/21.  Over the coming weeks, AX and i had regular contact about my claim and updated me in regards to my own vehicle. At one point she said it could be deemed a 50/50 liability. an engineer had collectes my car, deemed in a total loss as the damage was more than 66% of its total value and written my car off . i had a call from a lady from AX and she said they have valued the car and i will be payed out £2200 . i asked when and she said ' we will send you a cheque out for £358 in the post, and the remaining balance will be payed out by Admirel but this may take a few weeks more' .  I didnt hear nothing for around 2 weeks so i comtacted AX again for an update, she told me that admirel are refusing liability and there now in dispute. Every time i contacted them they said the same thing ' admirel are refusing liability' i asked them why admirel consider themSelf not liable and she read from the notes ' mr seddon said he was driving along the road, the corsa ( my vehicle) was at high speed coming towards me , i beeped my horn and tried moving out of the way but i couldnt because of the ice and the snow and the corsa hit my van' . the lady at AX said the problem is that the damage to both our vehicles is consistant with both our stories and due to there being no witnesses, no cctv or dash cam footage- no one can prove who is at fault. I then questioned why i had been told i was being paid out £2200 and she said 'well we have to advice you the estimated value' of wich i replied 'no, there was no 'advice' - i was told it was a done deal i was getting paid £2200 and she told me i had a cheque arriving in the post!!!.  The lady then told me she had requested a ' none prejudice payment' from admirel and waiting for a response.   Shortly after this phone call, AX contacted me again and asked if i had the funds to repair my own vehicle or buy another one, ( im.assuming admirel refused to pay the ' none prejudice payment) I told them No i do not as i have a baby due and even if i did have the funds, why on earth would i fork out to repair my own vehicle when i wasnt at fault ?! . she said ok im going to pass this to managment and see what we can do .   I contacted AX again and asked for an update and expressed how unhappy i was with their service as i felt like they hadnt fought my corner, bowed down to admirel and then had the cheek to ask me to repair my own vehicle . again she said ' its still in dispute, admirel are not budging i have to pass this on to management. She then asked me for 3 months bank statements to 'prove' i dont have the funds to repair my vehicle myself. I thought this was ridiculous and stated that even if i had the funds, why would i repair my own vehicle when im.not at fault!? Obviously this has been on going since middle of january, pretty fed up. My brother come to this forum and you guys had mentioned the hire car rates may fall back on me. I contacted AX first thing this morning regarding this. I made it clear that they can collect the vehicle to stop the daily charges as i do not want to be in thousands of pounds worth of debt when i am a lone parent with a new born baby. and the lady told me ' we will try every avenue to recover the cost from Admirel for the hire car charges, if this means taking them to court, even if this is unsuccessful, considering you comply with your hire vehicle contract and you work with us with your claim ( which you have been doing) you will not be liable for this debt and if worst comes to worst and admirel will not pay, we will just wipe the debt off' . i made her repeat several times that i will not be liable for this debt and she said i have told you my name, and these calls are recordered and i am telling you that this debt will not be on you to pay . She then said that if i was to give AX the hire car back now, then it would jepordise everything. And she said ' we gave you that hire vehicle because we beleive your not at fault so you can keep using it as we know you need transport' I then questioned the need for bank statements again and she told me the reason they need bank statements is so if it goes to court - AX can justify why i needed the hire car for so long ( because i didnt have the funds to repair my vehicle or buy another one) and also so they can prove they have tried every root possible.    After the phonecall it got me thinking about how she said ' aslong as you comply with your hire car contract your not liable for any charges for the hire car' . will they find any fault with the contract just to try and lumber me with the debt? , as it seems pretty fishy how they would just ' wipe off' thousands of pounds if admirel refuse to pay.  And also, she said if i gave the hire car back it would jepodise the case . so when the lady rang me the other week asking if i had funds to repair or buy myself a new vehicle , if i had said yes, ill buy a car tomorrow and come collect the curtesy one. Then what? Wouldnt that ' jepodise' the case?    As you can imagaine, my heads spinning. Stressed and dont know what to do. I dont even care about a pay out , i just want to give the hire car back and be completely done with AX . but now im scared if i give the car back i will be lumbered with thousand of pounds worth of debt from the hire car charges.  Tomorow i am going to read thoroughly through the ' hire car contract' . i am going to give them another call and record them saying i am not liable for the debt. Any advice on how i can just give the hire car back to them without me being liable to pay the debt?  Thank you Gemma
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more bad news :-(

Sinovac: Brazil results show Chinese vaccine 50.4% effective

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-55642648

 

Wall street journal has some disturbing claims about results manipulation (take heed O/AZ) but article is subscribers only but see here:

https://theportlandpost.com/2021/01/13/disappointing-chinese-vaccine-results-pose-setback-for-developing-world/

 

 

and that:

Most people who have had Covid-19 are protected from catching it again for at least five months, a study led by Public Health England shows.

Past infection was linked to an 83% lower risk of getting the virus, compared with those who had never had Covid-19, scientists found.

But experts warn some people do catch Covid-19 again - and can infect others.

 

 

Do understand that - that 83% have higher resistance for 5 months

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and the converse that 17% dont have higher resistance for 5 months

"In every respect, he has acted responsibly, legally and with integrity"

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Might surprise some, but I think that assessment of what actually occurred by byeline times  is sensationalism and largely false

 

Johnson and the ERTG may still adhere to a form of that policy (herd culling) but I dont think the claims in byline times are warrented in this instance.

 

Does highlight that the situation is no way under any form of coherent and sensible management though.

 

ALL the current evidence points to limited (in both time and spread) immunity whether from surviving infection or vaccine.

 

 

I think its more that theTrump/Johnson/ ERG types dont care if people die rather than a specific herd immunity policy  - unless they can profit from it. Its whatever makes them money and doesn't cost them.

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Boris Johnson on Dominic Cummings' Covid field trips

 

£288 million pounds a week - The ADDITIONAL cost of Brexit customs bureaucracy alone - stuff that on the side of a bus.

 

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Expanding on that, I think the references to protecting/vaccinating  the elderly/care homes first is politics driving policy rather than(some herd )  policy driving politics.

 

Johnson has shouted about it so much that he cant change the policy; without be forced by media; as it will prove yet again his incompetence, weakness and total unsuitability to the position he holds.

Anything else would require competence and strength of character - neither of which he has.

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It would also seem to be that anyone not in the highest priority group or NHS red zone staff should NOT be expecting a vaccination before the end of FEB at the very earliest  .. and thats starting vaccination of others starting end of Feb .. maybe

 

That may change, but it seems to be the situation currently.

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It would also seem to be that anyone not in the highest priority group or NHS red zone staff should NOT be expecting a vaccination before the end of FEB at the very earliest  .. and thats starting vaccination of others starting end of Feb .. maybe

 

That may change, but it seems to be the situation currently.

I think the predictions are wildly optimistic tbh.  Sticking needles in the arms of a group of care home residents and then 'observing' them for 15 minutes all at once is a very different game to dealing with separate individuals who need to stay socially distanced.  The rate has to slow.

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even at 2 million a week (seems very unlikely in anything but munged claims rather than reality with Johnsons numpteys)

- thats still 25ish weeks to get to a real 'herd immunity' level

- 5 months from end of feb - takes us to start of sept.

Just about scratch through ready to start again and be done with the fresh inoculations by next Feb

 

... provided the virus doesn't continue to mutate more infectious and doesn't bypass the inoculation immunity

That is what gov should be planning and preparing for - plan and prepare for bad, hope for good - fat chance of that either.

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23 hours ago, tobyjugg2 said:

even at 2 million a week (seems very unlikely in anything but munged claims rather than reality with Johnsons numpteys)

- thats still 25ish weeks to get to a real 'herd immunity' level

- 5 months from end of feb - takes us to start of sept.

Just about scratch through ready to start again and be done with the fresh inoculations by next Feb

What about it needing yearly boosters - at least, maybe even more often depending on which 'expert' chooses to throw an opinion into the ring.  We'll need to start doing those next December so we have no chance of ever catching up.

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Was informed today my mums carehome are getting their 1st vaccine jab on the 20th January.

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I think yearly 'boosters' might not be enough, especially if the mutations continue

It may well end up like the flu and need targeted vaccines every year, with possible extra boosters for significant changes.

 

How serious? Dunno yet.

But consider that 'flu' is a number of different virus' and the vaccination effectiveness depends on whether the right strains are picked to go into the jab.

The pandemic which peaked over last winter and spring was with a very limited number of strains of Covid

- the number of variants of covid are growing and growing in infectiousness

 

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-do-covid-19-vaccines-compare-with-other-existing-vaccines

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu

 

Its quite likely that we will still be very significantly in the thrall of Covid and its offspring all through this year and quite possibly longer.

That possibility growing the longer Johnson and Handcock are leading the fight against it here.

 

Consider that the Scot gov released detailed information that included vaccine deliveries expected - and Johnsons crew went apes**t and had everything taken down including tweets with the detail it seems

Undoubtedly not for 'commercially sensitive' aspects - but because the info gave the lie to Johnsons 'the Liars' claims of number of injections and his claims garbage waffle that it will be all great in a week or two/by spring etc as we have already seen.

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even at 2 million a week (seems very unlikely in anything but munged claims rather than reality with Johnsons numpteys)

- thats still 25ish weeks to get to a real 'herd immunity' level

- 5 months from end of feb - takes us to start of sept.

Just about scratch through ready to start again and be done with the fresh inoculations by next Feb

 

... provided the virus doesn't continue to mutate more infectious and doesn't bypass the inoculation immunity

That is what gov should be planning and preparing for - plan and prepare for bad, hope for good - fat chance of that either.

 

and Seen today that Rabb says they hope to have to have offered all adults 'the first' jab by Sept

 

 

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I saw earlier that Raab said to Andrew Marr that the government couldn't guarantee that people would get their second jab within 12 weeks of the first. That worries me as they've already gone over the three week timescale recommended by Pfizer.

 

Correction: not Marr, Sky News.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccine-dominic-raab-coronavirus-b1788498.html

 

 

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Bit convenient this infinitely variable spacing between two jabs, especially if the manufacturer is unsure if adequate or any protection provided beyond the 3 wweks,

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Up to 12 weeks (max) delay in the second dose, despite it not being the 'approved' process doesn't concern me unduly given the results I've seen.

Any more certainly would. As would YET ANOTHER political decision to move away from the science while hiding the facts behind the politics..

 

Anything more than confirmed 'inside 12 week second dose' could perhaps be indicating that 

a) A dose of vaccine only gives 5'ish months significantly improved  increased resistance and that the second dose adds little.

b) They simply aren't going to get the doses they claim

c) The Virus is expected to mutate beyond the current vaccines before the vaccination rollout is anything like complete

or a mix or all of the above.

 

That Rabb is not confirming anything for a second dose really does concern me.

We are already hearing of 'issues' with delivery of the pfiser vaccine doses, and some of the mutation 'paths are deeply worrying

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The writer of this article is concerned that Matt Hancock is already thinking of opening up the economy too early, despite previous failures.

 

Has anyone seen any indication that there's a plan for giving people the second vaccination in good time? And also to revaccinate all the people who had the jab at the beginning when they think immunity will have 'worn out' for want of a better expression? Six months, a year or whatever.

 

 

 

 

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The writer of this article is concerned that Matt Hancock is already thinking of opening up the economy too early, despite previous failures.

 

Has anyone seen any indication that there's a plan for giving people the second vaccination in good time? And also to revaccinate all the people who had the jab at the beginning when they think immunity will have 'worn out' for want of a better expression? Six months, a year or whatever.

 

 

Nope

 

 

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.. unless he knows something we don't yet know - but maybe has been hinted at

Particularly with his mention of vaccinators sitting around doing nowt in the near future ..

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"Wales was expected to receive 100,000 doses of the second vaccine this week but about a quarter are delayed after failing the regulator's tests."

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Meanwhile in Wales Drakeford has admitted he is delaying vacccinations in Wales to conserve supplies

Conserve them for what?  What possible use is a vaccine sitting on shelves being 'conserved'?

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Interesting if you are a virtual citizen of the world

(also interesting that they are still considering the UK as protected by EU data protection rules)

 

https://www.cbs17.com/news/eu-regulator-gets-request-to-approve-oxford-covid-19-vaccine/

 

"Questions also remain about how well the vaccine protects older people. Only 12% of study participants were over 55 and they were enrolled later, so there hasn’t been enough time to see whether they develop infections at a lower rate than those not given the vaccine.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration says it won’t consider approving the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine until data are available from late state research testing the shot in about 30,000 people."

 

"The EU regulator said it received a request for the vaccine to be greenlighted under an expedited process and that it could be approved by Jan. 29 “provided that the data submitted on the quality, safety and efficacy of the vaccine are sufficiently robust and complete.”"

 

- I certainly want to read that.

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31 minutes ago, hightail said:

Conserve them for what?  What possible use is a vaccine sitting on shelves being 'conserved'?

 

“The Pfizer vaccine comes in large packs, which cannot be split and must be stored at ultra-low temperatures – at -70c. There are only two centres in Wales where we can keep them at this temperature. Once removed from storage, the vaccine lasts five-days. Every dose wasted is a vaccine which cannot be given to someone in Wales. Health boards are receiving all the doses of Pfizer they can use.”

 

There does seem to be at least some method in what at first sight seems to be his madness.

Particularly given the reports on refusals/not turn ups given the pfiser 'fragility'

 

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"In every respect, he has acted responsibly, legally and with integrity"

Boris Johnson on Dominic Cummings' Covid field trips

 

£288 million pounds a week - The ADDITIONAL cost of Brexit customs bureaucracy alone - stuff that on the side of a bus.

 

Its official: Boris "unrepentant and inveterate liar" Johnsons' word

isn't worth the paper written on

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4 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

 

“The Pfizer vaccine comes in large packs, which cannot be split and must be stored at ultra-low temperatures – at -70c. There are only two centres in Wales where we can keep them at this temperature. Once removed from storage, the vaccine lasts five-days. Every dose wasted is a vaccine which cannot be given to someone in Wales. Health boards are receiving all the doses of Pfizer they can use.”

 

There does seem to be at least some method in what at first sight seems to be his madness.

Particularly given the reports on refusals/not turn ups given the pfiser 'fragility'

 

As opposed to the instruction to medics that they must not use ‘spare’ doses of the vaccine for second doses or on anyone outside the designated groups you mean?  I’m unimpressed with either strategy.  Throwing it away or not using it at all - either way an’t doing any good.

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Add in thoe who will refuse the Pfizer as they are afraid due to the reports of death and side effects from it That storage requirement is the big issue with its use.

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