Mutating Corona Virus

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Breaking News

 

Pritti Pattel allegedly saw a report that said a ship was arriving with  '2 million doses of Vaccine made in the EU  with the help of Turkish scientists for shipping to the UK'

... and only read the EU shipping label and '2 million' 'Turkish' 'to the UK'

 

and thought the Brexit claim of Turkish flood of immigrants to the UK was actually happening,

and in panic used her immigrant deterrent wave machine and sunk the ship carrying the vaccine to the UK

 

 

Edited December 3, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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Sainsbury's, Asda and Aldi join Tesco and waive tax relief as UK supermarkets hand back 1.74 billion pounds

 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-sainsbury-s-business-rates/sainsburys-asda-and-aldi-waive-tax-relief-as-uk-supermarkets-hand-back-1-74-billion-pounds-idUKKBN28D0SG

 

we're still waiting for Serco and the Populists Politicians PPE Pals to announce they are handing back the £10 Billion+ they haven't justified ..

Edited December 3, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13 4,443]

Good for the supermarkets, we need more like them.

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What a shame, that nice Mr Martin who's all for Brexit isn't happy about Covid restrictions on pubs.

 

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/tim-martin-on-coronavirus-and-pubs-6569000

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and on the EU -American vaccine sent over from Belgium while the ports are still open ...

Following further confusion about who will receive the first doses - NOT frontline NHS, Frontline Teachers or Frontline Supermarket staff apparently ...

 

"NHS bosses warned the 800,000 doses that comprise the UK’s first consignment from Pfizer’s manufacturing plant in Belgium may be “the only batch we receive for some time”, raising questions about how soon further supplies will arrive."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/03/nhs-staff-no-longer-front-queue-covid-vaccine-rethink

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On 03/12/2020 at 15:07, honeybee13 said:

What a shame, that nice Mr Martin who's all for Brexit isn't happy about Covid restrictions on pubs.

 

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/tim-martin-on-coronavirus-and-pubs-6569000

He does have a right old rant doesn't he.  There are pubs all over the country working round the regulations best they can and he reckons it's impossible.  It's difficult yes.  It's financially risky yes.  And yet they manage if they have the wherewithal to serve food.  Are there wet only Weatherspoons?  If so then they will suffer like all other wet only pubs but as a chain I'd have thought Weatherspoons was more likely than most to survive the storm.

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Share price in scotch egg companies doubles as Witheredspoons orders thousands of 'substantial meal' scotch eggs to serve alongside their microwave curries that don't meet the requirements ...

Edited December 5, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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He's apparently closing all his pubs in Wales apart from 8 as Drakeford has banned them from selling alcohol, and some in the Chapel set want him to ban all alcohol sales ina USA style prohibition.

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Not sure of the provenance of this, but if only partially true is worrying

Its up to an individual to weigh the facts for themselves.

 

https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2020/12/02/head-of-pfizer-research-covid-vaccine-is-female-sterilization/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

Here is link to the information sheet for Healthcare professionals doing the vaccinations.

 

Again no personal views either way, its up to individuals to decide what is true and what is fake.

 

Published 2 December 2020
Last updated 3 December 2020 — see all updates

From:

Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency

 

Information for Healthcare Professionals on Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine

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Thats 'healthandmoney is a nutter site @brassnecked

Most of the sites posts are complete cobblers, but that doesn't mean some of the issues raised don't warrant looking at and I will, particularly about the spike protein

 

Current real issues with pregnancy are

* Theres little actual evidence to prove its not harmful even though all expectations from associated/similar are that it isn't, - but the mRNA vaccines are new.

* Pregnancy has some strange effects on immune systems

 

worth a look:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201125/SARS-CoV-2-spike-antibodies-can-persist-200-days-after-symptom-onset-UK-based-case-study-finds.aspx

Edited December 5, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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Glad to read that the frozen vaccine is going be thawed to room temperature before injection! 

 

I am some way down the priority list, so there will be millions going through the process before it is my turn. 

 

Hopefully side effects will be limited to minor headaches and nausea, without too many additional issues found.

 

Likelihood is that this will be an ongoing process with vaccines required every year, similar to  flu jabs.

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Exactly TJ,  some of the stuff out there is well dodgy and should be treated with extreme caution, however the info sheet is genuine though, and some things  on it do deserve a closer look.

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1 hour ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

Glad to read that the frozen vaccine is going be thawed to room temperature before injection! 

 

 

Darn

I was going to drop the two frozen doses in some vodka and blackcurrant and take them both in one shot ..

 

 

Quickly hitting beyond my competence (even to understand and basic confirm others work) with the DNA -> RNA messenger -> protein mechanism of Covid and the vaccine

 

1. The covid infection apparent can pass on to a first trimester foetus - so the spike vaccine almost certainly will

2. The spike protein mechanism is used in a number of 'normal processes

3. There are some similarities between some of the infection mechanisms used by Covid and some other highly infectious deseases like aids (this is worrying - but not vaccine wise as dar as I can see)

 

Rather than waffle on, my summary is that apart from the unknowns around mRNA messaging mechanisms and their interactions, let alone interfering with them,

and other than normal maternal issues experienced during pregnancy,

the covid vaccine would be reasonably expected that it WILL pass to the foetus, including generating a level of immunity and also potentially causing effects caused by the vaccine in adults (ie the effects causing headaches etc in adults).

 

Whether the foetus will tolerate these effects better or worse than an adult/the mother and whether this particular use of a common RNA messaging system will do to a developing foetus is beyond my understanding or estimation, BUT I see nothing definitively untoward to date.

That the messaging system is common would seem to indicate to me (as a none expert) that there appears to be little potential for the process going badly wrong - but not none.

 

I also see little or no reason to expect a difference from a traditional type covid vaccine (the Chinese developed one for example).

 

The REAL issue (apart from its very effective infection mechanisms briefly mentioned above) with covid and immune systems seems to me to be the cytokine storm effect

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-immune-mechanism-triggers-cytokine-storm.html

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/does-a-cytokine-storm-hyperaggressive-immune-response-lead-to-covid-19-deaths-scientists-say-they-have-an-answer-2020-11-14

 

 

Too many links and references used to show, a number of which I had already been studying.

Heres a few,

https://www.gponline.com/pregnant-women-under-18s-will-not-offered-covid-19-vaccine/article/1701457

https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/study-suggests-embryos-could-be-susceptible-to-coronavirus-as-early-as-second-week-of-pregnancy

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2633494120962526

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31822-5/fulltext (see links)

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200814/COVID-19-during-pregnancy-shows-no-affect-on-placental-structure-and-pathology.aspx

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201125/SARS-CoV-2-spike-antibodies-can-persist-200-days-after-symptom-onset-UK-based-case-study-finds.aspx

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/aji.13308

 

Very Technical

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0025619620305164

 

 

and of course

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/psych-unseen/202005/anti-vaccine-and-covid-19-conspiracy-theories-perfect-storm

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201125/SARS-CoV-2-spike-antibodies-can-persist-200-days-after-symptom-onset-UK-based-case-study-finds.aspx

 

 

Edited December 5, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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Here's the Info sheet for recipientsoff the pfizer vaccine

Information for UK recipients on Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine

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* a bleeding problem, bruise easily or use a medicine to inhibit blood clotting

 

errr who are/may be/were top of the list for injection?

 

 

 

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Oh look - he falls out of favour and suddenly it isnt the ordinary folk reporting that are the liars

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dominic-cummings-barnard-castle-durham-lockdown-trip-b1766655.html

 

"Durham Police have confirmed they are examining a new 225-page dossier of evidence which suggests Dominic Cummings should face charges over his infamous lockdown trip – or trips – to the northeast.

Senior officers with the force have been instructed to assess the file which was compiled and submitted by lawyers working with the former northwest chief crown prosecutor Nazir Afzal."

 

"Specifically, the documents are understood to allege that Mr Cummings perverted the course of justice with misleading statements about journeys he made to Durham and Barnard Castle in March and April.

They accuse Boris Johnson’s former chief aide and his wife Mary Wakefield of committing multiple breaches of coronavirus regulations by leaving their primary house in London and driving some 270 miles without a reasonable excuse – while both had Covid-19."

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Not solid science - but linked earlier

 

We generally know that vitamin D is a great protector against colds. flu and apparently covid.

 

2 other things I have found some scientific support for are slightly less usual

Sulphated polysaccharides - (an extra benefit from - bladderwrack)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33074241/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32714563/

 

and less evidence - but makes sense - the Bioflavanoids specifically in lemons and blood oranges

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On 16/11/2020 at 10:40, tobyjugg2 said:

More briefings of cronies who brief to their paying customers

Government gave lobbyists access to confidential coronavirus briefings

Former Sun political editor and current chairman of Portland Communications, George Pascoe-Watson, was quietly appointed as an "adviser" to the government in April.

He briefed paying clients on the government's thinking, including on upcoming lockdowns.

 

Mr Pascoe-Watson emailed clients on October 15, telling them he had been “privately advised” that new restrictions on London would last six months until the spring, the Sunday Times reported.

 

Wonder if the London Mayor or Londoners know that?

 

...

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/matt-hancock-coronavirus-spring-vaccine-kate-bingham-b1767848.html

Matt Hancock hopes Covid restrictions will be lifted by spring, but warns measures could get tougher during winter

 

.. now the paying crony customers have had some advance warning to best invest their money

 

Edited December 8, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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So, sadly we have issues with both the vaccines

 

Issues with allergic reactions on the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine

https://uk.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-britain-vaccine/uk-warns-people-with-serious-allergies-to-avoid-pfizer-vaccine-after-two-adverse-reactions-idUKKBN28J1DX

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-latest-news-live-updates-b1768525.html

 

"National Health Service medical director Stephen Powis said the advice had been changed after two NHS workers reported anaphylactoid reactions associated with receiving the vaccine."

 

 

 

and low results/dosing issues which are NOT understood with the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-has-70-efficacy-full-trial-data-shows

 

"The Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid vaccine has efficacy of 90% in a small group who got a half-dose first, but only 62% in the majority, full trial data newly published in the Lancet has confirmed."

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Perhaps explains the reticence demonstrated by Vallence and whitty recently, and real food for the conspiracy theorists.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-08/covid-did-boris-johnson-order-englands-coronavirus-lockdown-based-on-false-data

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/business/covid-vaccine-oxford-astrazeneca.html

Blunders Eroded U.S. Confidence in Early Vaccine Front-Runner

The Oxford-AstraZeneca effort held great promise to help arrest the pandemic. But a series of miscues caused it to fall behind in the U.S.

 

 

 

And for the Chinese conspiracy nuts:

"When Chinese researchers released the genetic sequence of the virus that causes Covid-19 on Jan. 9, an Oxford vaccine researcher, Dr. Sarah Gilbert, was able to start work the very next day.

Dr. Gilbert’s team raced to insert genetic material from Covid-19 into its adenovirus platform. By March, the vaccine was being tested in monkeys in Montana."

Edited December 10, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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Oh and serco test and trace improves its figures dramatically ..

by the simple expedient of not attempting to either contact or count sections of the public where they have been performing badly

 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-britain-trace/englands-test-and-trace-reaches-86-of-contacts-helped-by-change-in-method-idUKKBN28K1YC

Edited December 10, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13 4,443]

Thank you for the link, TJ. I just read something that said the counting method has changed twice in as many weeks but I haven't understood how yet.

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I think I've got it now. Smoke and mirrors?