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3 hours ago, hightail said:

 

That's the sort of thing I was interested in.  Figures are reported for the area covered by my district council but there are no hospitals or testing centres.   If home address isn't what matters this could lead to a rather ridiculous situation where there are no cases but there are deaths.  There are loads of people within the district work for the NHS at large hospitals outwith the area for at least two different hospital trusts.  When they're tested does the result (+ve or -ve because both do matter) count for those cities or for their home address?  Is it recorded against both - if so does that count as two tests?

 

 

 

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They have the site the test was carried out at and your home address - if they dont lose them that is

 

Data they dont lose, inaccurate or otherwise, will be sent to some data munger to massage, process and interpret it into a form thats least damaging/most promotes whatever Cummings wants

... that isn't so far outside reality even the small amount of data that generally is available clearly shows the official claims as codswallop

... or even then as we keep seeing.

So the actual content is just something to be cooked so it doesn't matter if you are tested miles from home - as many have been sent let alone when they are actually staying away from home

 

Thats why the data goes no-where else be it medical records or local tack and trace

 

 

 

 

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I've been out for a while so am catching up.

 

I think I read something earlier which I'll try to find that says a lot of data goes to NHSX but from there it doesn't necessarily get to local NHS or LAs very quickly. Clearly time is of the essence.

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wikipedia

 

"NHSX is a United Kingdom Government unit ... "

 

"It was established in early 2019 by the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, Matt Hancock, to bring together information technology teams from the Department of Health and Social Care, NHS England, and NHS Improvement. NHSX will work closely with the Government Digital Service and other relevant government functions.[1] It is led by Matthew Gould."

 

 

 

Just because it has the letters N H and S in its name ...

 

http://www.thehtn.co.uk/2019/02/27/the-nhsx-unit-what-do-we-know-and-what-does-it-mean/

 

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/05/08/nhsx-contract-tracing-app-management-of-outsourced-to-private-company-and-to-be-accessed-overseas/

 

 

 

and we already know about the citizen tracking ap and its identifiable central data store which p'd all over peoples data rights

 

 

like I said - it goes to Cummings - maybe via handcock maybe just bypassing him.

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Heres what its NOT doing

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-blackburn-darwen-council-nhs-test-and-trace-covid-a9653071.html

 

"The English council dealing with the country’s highest coronavirus infection rates has been forced to develop its own contact-tracing system — because the £10bn national scheme is failing to reach hundreds of people who have been exposed to the deadly bug."

 

... No doubt Johnson will want to cut Blackburns' funding

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and that facts start to come out

'Inexplicable' failure to quarantine travellers to the UK made pandemic 'far worse', say MPs

UK ‘almost unique’ in rejecting border checks in crucial March period – without scientific basis – as hundreds of infected passengers arrived every day

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-uk-quarantine-travel-cases-deaths-covid-a9653451.html

 

"Strikingly, it says the Home Office refused to set out any scientific advice to explain the “grave error”, despite repeatedly promising to do so – a stance attacked as “completely unacceptable”."

 

So even aside from not testing in any way people who returned:

"Yvette Cooper, the committee’s chair, said the critical mistake was the decision on 13 March – 10 days before lockdown – “to remove all self-isolation guidance for travellers arriving in the UK”."

 

"The MPs also pour scorn on the Home Office’s argument that 99.9 per cent of arrivals are obeying requirements to quarantine for two weeks, finally introduced in June.

They describe the claim, made by home secretary Priti Patel as “unreliable”, because it appeared to be based only a limited number of compliance checks made and three fines issued."

 

 

 

So not only did Johnsons cronies NOT make any efforts whatsoever to test people returning,

and NOT properly check people were self isolating,

they actually stopped telling returnees to self isolate for 10 days before the country was locked down as the number of epidemic infections exploded.

 

Wonder why?

 

"The committee’s inquiry heard that, in the crucial 10 days between scrapping isolation guidance and the lockdown, up to 10,000 infected people arrived."

 

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The committee's report is pretty damning, isn't it? The Home Office refused to supply the scientific evidence it said its decisions were based on and you can possibly see Demonic's hand in this - he has form for ignoring select committees.

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The elephant is the people getting off the rubber boats and being spirited away to hotels by Serco, are they being tested as well?

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Hardly

 

The real elephant is a person in charge who has a clear, defined, and consistent history of

 

* Lying through his teeth

 

* Mismanaging expensive projects to failure, let alone that they tend to be vanity projects with little defined benefit anyway - projects which any junior project manager could have managed FAR better

 

* Wasting VAST amounts of other peoples/tax payers money on failing mismanaged projects

 

* Doesn't give the slightest damn about other people

 

* Can't even target testing where its needed, let alone effectively implement it

 

* Is going to use children to implement his herd immunity - or simply spread the virus through them because it suites his incompetent flying pig  plans

 

 

His current worlds worst track and trace is costing in the order of £200,000+ an HOUR to contact the same few few handfuls of people repeatedly

About £10Billion so far?

 

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It's really annoying, TJ. Imagine what local authorities could have done with £10bn.

 

I think you should allocate some blame to Demonic, unless that's who you meant.

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Problem for Kier Starmer, is trying to keep a fractured labour Party together, and the Momentum lot will chip away. After he took the knee he is on borrowed time to step down for a BAME leader, David Lammy or Naz Shah might fit their bill. Might even be Sadiq Khan if he is deposed in the London Mayoral Election, someone in a safe seat falls on their sword to give Sadiq his opportunity  with a By Election. We are stuck with Muppets for now sadly, as none of the Parties are up to much.

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Problem for Kier Starmer, is trying to keep a fractured labour Party together, and the Momentum lot will chip away. After he took the knee he is on borrowed time to step down for a BAME leader, David Lammy or Naz Shah might fit their bill. Might even be Sadiq Khan if he is deposed in the London Mayoral Election, someone in a safe seat falls on their sword to give Sadiq his opportunity  with a By Election. We are stuck with Muppets for now sadly, as none of the Parties are up to much.

 

Mixed feeling about Kier, but can't think of a better option at moment

 

No mixed feeling about the Corbynistas - just a tiny childs step away from Johnson and the hugely more popular populists IMO

The Corbynistas will end labours chances if they can

- If it aint Corbyn, we'll make sure it aint anyone approach.
 

Of course they think that its what was done to Corbyn, and a small part of Corbyns failures were undoubtedly added to by everyone except his Cabal not wanting him ...

Although most he and his inner circle needs to take credit for themselfs

 

I'm even going to vote against labour in the locals as they were and undoubtedly are Corbynistas (I asked) who are supporting dragging the issues on.

A short session with even Tory local councillors will be better than giving even the slightest impression of support for Corbyn.

 

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It's really annoying, TJ. Imagine what local authorities could have done with £10bn.

 

I think you should allocate some blame to Demonic, unless that's who you meant.

 

Demonic is a spad

Nobody voted him in and nobody would

 

The blame rests with Johnson,

and to a lessor extent with Corbyn and Cameron

 

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a little more on nhsx

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faculty_(company)

 

Shame they were far  more effective for vote leave than they are with peoples health care

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Palantir are like Cambridge Analytica but on steroids.

 

Incidentally the EU is investigating Google takeover of FitBit

https://www.telecompaper.com/news/eu-confirms-in-depth-investigation-into-google-takeover-of-fitbit--1349170

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53647570

 

All your data is belong to Google it seems.

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29 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

The other ones to worry about are Palantir who are data-mining NHS records, I've read, and are now being paid £1m to do it.

It does rather feel that we're all nothing more than a population of lab rats in some very sinister game doesn't it.

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Yep

and faculty were apparently the ones involved with

'targeted herd immunity' modelling and proposals - allegedly associated with Demonic

 

'Target their grandparents in homes first, then their kids so the adults have got nowhere to hide -  comes to mind

 

and regarding the 90 minute tests

 

"Virologists have been excluded from UK government discussions on how to respond to the coronavirus pandemic, says the UK Clinical Virology Network, which represents researchers in the field. Virologists say they were not consulted about the government’s purchase of new 90 minute tests for the coronavirus and other respiratory viruses from two UK companies, which was announced yesterday. The group sent a letter to government scientific and medical advisors, Patrick Vallance and Chris Whitty in July but say they have not heard back. “It just seems there is a rush to do everything privately,” Will Irving, one of the signatories at the University of Nottingham, told the Guardian."

 

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-covid-19-news-world-faces-catastrophe-from-school-closures-says-un/#

 

https://www.thecanary.co/discovery/2020/04/26/the-governments-scientific-advisory-group-attendee-is-linked-to-a-spy-agency-contractor/

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Jolyon Maugham has a new Twitter thread about the court case against HMG.

 

Ayanda/Prospermills is connected to Andrew Mills, adviser to Liz Truss. It was only worth £100 when it was awarded £252m for buying PPE, under the rules that mean there is no need for scrutiny. So far, none of the PPE seems to be suitable for the NHS.

 

The thread also has a lot of the court documents, plus copy letters from the government/DHSC.

 

 

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"We are already pursuing a Government over the £108m PPE contracts it said it entered into with a chocolatier and a supplier of pigeon netting. "

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