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4 hours ago, hightail said:

 If enough businesses and services decide they want to see that you have a phone with the app installed to let you in we’ll all have to give in eventually.

 

I don't get it. Why would any business insist on customers having the tracing app?

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5 minutes ago, cjcregg said:

I don't get it. Why would any business insist on customers having the tracing app?

It's a condition I call 'competitive quarantining'.  Many businesses are making up their own rules above and beyond what's required so they can say they can make a big thing of saying they're taking staff and customer safety seriously. 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, hightail said:

It's a condition I call 'competitive quarantining'.  Many businesses are making up their own rules above and beyond what's required so they can say they can make a big thing of saying they're taking staff and customer safety seriously. 

 

 

 

I see.

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A less drastic example is when some supermarkets brought in a rule stopping couples shopping together.  Not part of any existing regulation, their own restriction.  

 

 

 

 

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There is a serious gap in the Governments track & trace ( test & trace) policy concerning contractors who visit more than one companies premises on a regular basis.

 

Have heard of contractors causing temporary closure of several different offices, when one or more of the contractors staff have tested positive for Covid-19, leading to closure of offices while they are subject to deep cleaning.  And also people that have met the contractors and been in close proximity, have been required to self-isolate as a precaution.

 

Contractors who visit different workplaces regularly must be putting themselves and the people they visit at risk and this must be a risk that has been considered, yet I am not sure I have read any specific advice to employers.

 

 

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Another one they haven't considered UB .


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16 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

hightail isn't the only one to think that. From this article:

 

It is not yet known whether use of the app would be mandatory or voluntary. “A mandatory smartphone app would be a significant measure, both legally and culturally,” the lawyers said. “Our view is that there would need to be a clear and detailed legal basis for a mandatory system, set out in specific legislation.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/03/covid-19-tracking-app-must-satisfy-human-rights-and-data-laws

 

No it isn't and it's just scaremongering to suggest otherwise.

 

 

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15 hours ago, hightail said:

A less drastic example is when some supermarkets brought in a rule stopping couples shopping together.  Not part of any existing regulation, their own restriction.  

 

 

 

 

I think this was more to reduce the footfall.  Local stores were only allowing 10 people in at a time.. by allowing only single shoppers, they kept their queues down. 

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6 hours ago, cjcregg said:

 

No it isn't and it's just scaremongering to suggest otherwise.

 

 

So which are you disputing there and why

 

Is it

 

A mandatory smartphone app would be a significant measure, both legally and culturally,”

 

or

 

“Our view is that there would need to be a clear and detailed legal basis for a mandatory system, set out in specific legislation.”

 

 

 

or are you actually claiming that it wouldn't be made compulsory despite the changes in law I referred, and handcock quite clearly saying that optional is only if enough people voluntarily install it and that 'mandatory' is an option already available to them and which they will use?

 

 

 

or are you just spouting fog to try to confuse the facts?

 


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Back to school on Monday

Some children not happy at all

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/31/mps-furious-about-forced-return-of-physical-voting-to-commons

 

 

and who saw the Rabb say they are following the scientific advice and avoid the question on NHS advice being given to ordinary folk while Cummings was doing whatever he liked

 

.. right after the person who is arguably THE top UK covid scientist say 'it aint the medical science ..

 

 


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The concerns go beyond the ORG worries, the companies and people involved Serco, G4S, and Dido Harding don't inspire confidence in their ability to prevent data leaks to begin with. Be so easy to add a "Refused vaccination" flag, or refused ID Chip for unrestricted access to services.  in there.


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Good point, BN.

 

Changing the subject a bit, Directors of Public Health have written to the goverment expressing serious concerns about the easing of lockdown.

 

https://www.adph.org.uk/2020/05/adph-presidential-blog-a-time-for-steady-leadership-careful-preparation-and-measured-steps/


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Yes they are waking up to the fact that they  have over centralised stuff, and there is no proper local provision any more, Hancock is treating it as a National outbreak, not the many localised ones now  often centred around General Hospitals, as infection and reinfection agents. PHE PHW, and PHS have no capacity for any real localised Track & trace, having removed the Council Environmental & Public Health Departments out of the equation.  All they have is Hancock's busted App, and an army of badly trained call centre grunts.

 

Says care worker to old Mrs Jones, and  "you really need to install that app so they can see you aren't going out"

 

Mrs Jones gets out a cheap candybar feature phone, and says, "can't install apps on that  only phone and text, so don't need smartphone"

 

Interesting look at age demographic for smartphone ownership, is 70% age 55 -64 still low enough to dent Hancocks app effectiveness.

 

Other issue, many at risk homeless, low income also only have feature phones issued by care agencies or charities  People released on tag who are in hostels are often issued with something likea £10 samsung/Nokia/Alcatel candybar, 2G  non internet capable phone.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/271851/smartphone-owners-in-the-united-kingdom-uk-by-age/


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Just wondering when Bailiffs will be allowed to start knocking again, there are loads of evictions on hold, and non paid Council tax and fines to enforce no doubt. 


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Here is a chaeck & balance, and why hancock will mess things up even further.  https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/corona/coronavirus-the-second-wave/


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On 31/05/2020 at 09:51, citizenB said:

I think this was more to reduce the footfall.  Local stores were only allowing 10 people in at a time.. by allowing only single shoppers, they kept their queues down. 

No doubt it was for our 'comfort and safety' and it all seems to make sense to a frightened population.  So will temperature taking at a supermarket (or whatever) entrance if they so choose ........ and asking to see your status on the app on your phone.  They'll do it with pride and many will applaud them for it.  My point is they can impose any conditions they like and if they do there's nothing we can do about it if we wish to continue using any service.  It could become as good as mandatory without government needing to say a word.

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19 minutes ago, hightail said:

 So will temperature taking at a supermarket (or whatever) entrance if they so choose ........ and asking to see your status on the app on your phone.  They'll do it with pride and many will applaud them for it.  My point is they can impose any conditions they like and if they do there's nothing we can do about it if we wish to continue using any service.  

 

Anyone could do anything in theory but AFAIK there is no evidence whatsoever that supermarkets or retailers generally are even considering such measures so your fears are misplaced.

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I’ll be delighted if you’re correct.  My experience so far has been half and half of those who either take little notice or those who thoroughly enjoy the new power afforded by the sport of competitive quarantining. 

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I cant see supermarkets doing the 'app status required' off their own back, I think it would need to be mandated by the overlords. Temperature checks are more likely but there would need to be an alternate method for the person to get food to avoid very damaging press.

 

BUT, I can well see an app with status requirement being placed on transport hubs.

'If the plebs can't use public transport, let their chauffeur drive them ...

 

 

Interesting that Jenrick is avoiding bad press despite trouncing lockdown rules with 3 homes and abusing his position for the benefit of his rich ex media pals

but then again - he is one of the prime faces of lies and seems very happy to be such along with handcock

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/cabinet-minister-robert-jenrick-breaks-21844275

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLrMfhSCZio

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/questions-over-robert-jenricks-approval-of-tory-donor-richard-desmonds-housing-plan-xvrhr0m3j

 

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/nottinghamshire-mp-robert-jenrick-acted-4169285

 

 

 

but lets not forget, these are kippers and populists running the show, NOT Tories.

 

So if johnson and Cummings gets away with unlawful/bending the rules so far out of shape only Lewis Carroll could define - why shouldn't he


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Oh dear

Business secretary tested for Covid-19 after feeling ill during Commons speech

 

"During one vote, the minister voted straight after the culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, and immediately before the Labour MP Stephen Kinnock.

He was also one of a few ministers who attended full cabinet, a source said.

In another vote on the substantive motion, Sharma queued to vote immediately after Saqib Bhatti, the Conservative MP for Meriden, and just before Paul Scully, the Tory MP for Sutton and Cheam. "

 

 

'Most of his speeches make us feel ill was reportedly heard,

as was, don't worry you can always claim universal credit and have your life transformed , although p[perhaps not for the better.

 

 

 

As the Mp's experience the Mogg supermarket Conga, some queueing for the very first time since waiting to enter their initiation chamber and the awaiting pigs head.

 

'Completely unacceptable that we should queue. I feel like a pleb at Morrisons must' was rumoured to be heard from some.

 

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/06/02/mogg-conga-mps-just-tried-mad-new-voting-system-total-chaos/

 

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Zombie Parliament, and a bunch of useless wastrels, all whinging, like a Pom in the Outback.


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