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Bit concerning that Governments are now not using lockdowns as a way to try to control Covid case numbers.

 

Numbers of deaths in many countries is now increasing. 


At what point do Governments start to put in place stronger measures ?

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As we have seen reported - London is leading the way (sic) in Omicron infections

- and now in hospitalisations

 

 

 

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Drakeford likely to go full on medieval with a complete Lockdown, he was even chuntering about PCR in and out of England as if its a foreign country.  Like Sturgeon he would close the border with England if he thought he could get away with it he wants us to do a lateral Flow every time we go out the door, problem no tests available.

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Based purely on what is being reported to me.

 

I have been dealing with members of the public throughout the pandemic.

 

I am hearing about more Covid cases now and more needing to be admitted to Hospital than at any time, since the pandemic started.

 

The vaccinations may stop most people from becoming seriously ill, but for those who have health conditions already, they may end up in Hospital.

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I'm hearing similar Unc, and also more examples like HT's daughter: feeling rough, negative lft and assuming bit of a cold. Second lft days later - positive.

 

Its worried me because I and a few i know have very mild cold symptoms, but all  i personally know geot repeat neg lfts over a number of days

- it is cold season ...

 

The bird flu outbreaks are still concerning me. Covid has exceptional mutation/adaption abilities.

 

 

ah well, Dexter and The expanse are back at least

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As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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Without wishing to label people - it would be interesting to understand the breakdown of who and why there are so many unvaccinated in London

 - mind you, they voted for Johnson as a mayor, yet massively voted remain

..... mind mind you - Johnson was a remainer when it suited, until dag whistle Brexit became his route to self aggrandizement

 

i would be comparing London figures to other quite international major UK cities rather than regions

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As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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Drakeford basically locking down from tomorrow night, the vaalleeeys boyo's already moaning about no Boxing day Rugby, he is getting constant death threats now apparently

 

https://www.hospitalityandcateringnews.com/2021/12/welsh-government-to-impose-strict-new-covid-regulations-on-hospitality-this-friday/

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Like Drakeford is more into scoring points so he is likely to try closing the border if he thinks he can get away with it.  he is an austere cheerless joyless individual.

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1 hour ago, honeybee13 said:

I guess it depends if you mean greater London and greater Paris and I'm not sure where to look. But Westminster is trailing badly on vaccination rates. 

Daughter lives in Newham and I was shocked at the low vaccination rate there.  I think it's partly cultural and partly age driven.  London is a relatively young city and we can all remember thinking we were invincible when young.

 

Maybe, and this is a personal thought with no real evidence, those who live in close proximity to large hospitals feel they can afford to be a little more cavalier because help is on the doorstep.  It may not even be a concious thought.  Birmingham also has some pretty poor figures for vaccination so maybe it is a 'city' thing.

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Respiratory infections do love population centers like cities/large gatherings. Lots of strangers in close contact,

and Omicron seems quite literally tuned to that. Fast infection through brief passing contact

 

Even masks probably have reduced efficacy

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As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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1 hour ago, brassnecked said:

Drakeford basically locking down from tomorrow night, the vaalleeeys boyo's already moaning about no Boxing day Rugby, he is getting constant death threats now apparently

 

https://www.hospitalityandcateringnews.com/2021/12/welsh-government-to-impose-strict-new-covid-regulations-on-hospitality-this-friday/

 

Problem is, short lock down at best will only 'rescue' a few days at Christmas,PLUS actually more importantly give time for booster role outs a chance

 

I'm actually struggling to see any way out of the hole Johnsons faffing has dumped us in that isnt quite extreme, and even then I thung the Coronavirus has some nasty shocks still hidden in its pocket.

 

That lfts have 'run out' errr ... at such a time is crazy

 

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As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

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A relative of the UK's 'first Omicron victim' told LBC today that his stepfather was fit and healthy but died after refusing to get his Covid-19...

 

As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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22 hours ago, brassnecked said:

Drakeford likely to go full on medieval with a complete Lockdown, he was even chuntering about PCR in and out of England as if its a foreign country.

 

Getting practice in

 

 

Anyway, seems still unable to get LFTs,

which of course means loads more people after PCR's to keep their loved ones safe (and access to workplace for some)

- TRY AND BOOK A PCR ....

 

Good start to the latest wave, latest in a line of waves, where key lessons from all those previous waves ... have again gone largely totally unlearned ..

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As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

Knowledge has only two enemies: Ignorance and lies

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Doctor Waheed Hussain is behind three Covid test companies with string of one-star reviews

 

 

Nothing like the scale of issues at immensia it seems, but still indicative of a complete lack of governance or even competence regarding approval of testing sites

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"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

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A little update on what I believe I am seeing regarding boosters and omicron, and perhaps indicates why the sudden 'panic re getting boosters in arms

 

What I seem to be seeing is that 2* O/AZ or sinopharm (and similar) jabs seem to give after about 3 months from final jab as little as 10-15% protection against infection against Omicron, although they do still seem to give significant protection against very severe illness or death

 

The mRNA vaccines (pfiser.moderna) 2 jab regime is down to about 20-25% protection from infection with Omicron after about 3-5 months

 

An mRNA 3rd booster is returning to levels giving about 65-75% protection from infection (or at least symptomatic illness) . (Compared to 90%ish+ against prior variants)

 

I think it vety likely that the unjabbed are going to be desperately needing the (jab) alternative options quite quickly when they start to get ill.

 

For @hightail

The base level of anti-bodies often referred as giving protection seem to be far to low (by multiples) to give real world levels of protection from infection against Omicron from what I seem to be seeing, although the stated levels are likely to still give protection from severe illness, possibly even significant symptomatic infection. And robust health will of course be likely to mitigate this further - although thats in no way certain. Immune systems are many varied.
 

 

I do think it highly unlikely that the omicron variant is less 'dangerous than the Delta in the unvaccinated. Quite the opposite with speed of spread in the body appearing to be MANY multiples of the speed of spread of the delta or prior variant(s) once in the body

- which is as the genetic make-up and mutations define

 

 

 

All the above are rough averages and outliers will be far from those averages.

 

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he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

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Populist pal dyson un-tendered un-competitive expensive air filters for schools as promoted by populist pal promoting minsters?

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he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

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A study led by researchers from HKUMed provides the first information on how the novel Variant of Concern of SARS-CoV-2, the Omicron SARS-CoV-2...

 

This is interesting.  They seem to be saying that Omicron is infecting the upper respiratory tract at an incredible rate BUT isn't tracking on down to the lungs anywhere near as badly as previous versions of the virus.  I have only skimmed it but there is one chart which I think shows that each mutation has done much the same thing but the change with this one has been so great.  It sort of does mean it's probably less deadly to a healthy individual, however, at 70x more transmissable it is the sheer numbers which are a worry.

 

I'm not impressed that the message (and the vaccine drive) isn't being targeted harder to the vulnerable.  Certainly if I'd been shielding previously I would be doing so again.

 

I believe children are far more susceptible to upper respiritory tract infections which may be why they are catching this one.

 

 

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Thats one of my sources HT  :-)

 

The info available  from the far east makes the UK look like North Korea in training ...

 

and South Africa is reporting massive increases in infections .. (+230,000 excess deaths and rising despite only 90,000 covid !!!)

 

 

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As he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches pouring out more drinks,

he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

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6 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

and South Africa is reporting massive increases in infections .. (+230,000 excess deaths and rising despite only 90,000 covid !!!)

I like how transparent South Africa is with the data.  They give the figures for how many positive tests are incidental - people who are admitted to hospital for unrelated reasons and then happen to test positive - but they don't sugar coat anything.   I think people listen far more and the message is so much stronger if you give the bare truth rather than trying to stir up a general  panic. 

 

Boris and his merry band have done very well causing huge queues at vaccination centres thereby ensuring the fit and healthy are the ones able to withstand the hours long wait.  I get that they are playing the numbers game and even accept it is 'a' strategy.  However, he'd better not blame a single housebound or vulnerable person for not getting a booster now they're shoved to the back of the queue.

 

 

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Wonder when they will be taking unvaccinated off to camps like Australia soon.  Then when it keeps spreading as vaccines don't stop transmission what then?

 

Drakeford closing Nightclubs on 27th and he might bring the Non Essentials ban back

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WALES will introduce new restrictions from December 27, including the closure of nightclubs and social distancing measures to slow the spread of...

 

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@BN

 

What do you think is wrong with his approach, why, and what different approach do you think should be taken?

 

My opinion on nightclubs being shut (for example) is - that it is the right thing to do as they would be MAJOR spread/infection points - much as I don't like it on personal freedom and even social wellbeing grounds.

and if the situation changes for the better rather than the worse its much easier to release restrictions at the last minute than impose them

 

Give us some info on your thinking please BN

I'll trash it if its trashable of course, but if it is relatively easily trashable - then perhaps you need a rethink?

If it isn't that easily trashable - I absolutely promise to review my thinking on the matter

 

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he didn’t realise it was a party - even when he was ambushed by cake and ate it

 

 "Moral emptiness"  "unrepentant and inveterate liar" 

"a liar and a charlatan debasing the office of Prime Minister”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

 

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With Drakeford its not so much the Nightclubs, but his obsession with Non Essential goods and banning their sale, something we are expecting him to reintroduce.

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