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Quote of the day:

 

Cabinet meets this morning. As they are not a shop or public transport, we can assume they will not be wearing masks.

- John Rentoul

 

 

I understand that at least some of these may have come into contact with potential Omicron AND Delta, but would seem to have switched of their apps ...

 

... Gets popcorn out .. while being worried for those who have to work close to them.

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Wonder if we have reached the stage where we now definitively need a booster vaccine cocktail.

Seems likely to me.

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Boris Johnson Mendex est

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“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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truly scary:

 

NEWS.SKY.COM

On 12 November, a man arriving in Hong Kong from South Africa was tested and found to be positive for a COVID variant that is now ringing...

 

 

and initial estimates are of a reproduction rate of 2 in SA (doubling 2 new infections for each case)

 

 

 

Perhaps explains the Johnson knee jerk panic reaction, if not the utter unpreparedness and mismanagement

 

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Boris Johnson Mendex est

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As the government doesn't want to have its own Covid enquiry any time soon, Keep Our NHS Public has carried out its own, with Michael Mansfield QC chairing it.

 

 

BYLINETIMES.COM

There are grounds to pursue a legal case against the Prime Minister and his Cabinet over their role in the COVID pandemic, a leading barrister says

 

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On 30/11/2021 at 12:14, tobyjugg2 said:

Perhaps explains the Johnson knee jerk panic reaction

That for certain though he isn't alone.  As far as I'm aware it's expected that virus variants become more transmissable and less deadly which is what appears to be happening at last. Looking at how things are going around the world we'll all be under medical mandates as a reaction to something about as dangerous as the common cold.

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39 minutes ago, hightail said:

That for certain though he isn't alone.

 

Clarify please?

By 'knee jerk reaction' I meant announce something entire;y unplanned then hope something comes out of it

eg where the heck are all the people giving those jabs going to come from, let alone the doses themselves

 

39 minutes ago, hightail said:

 

  As far as I'm aware it's expected that virus variants become more transmissable and less deadly which is what appears to be happening at last. Looking at how things are going around the world we'll all be under medical mandates as a reaction to something about as dangerous as the common cold.

 

Surely you are aware that is commonly because people either die or become resistant (through milder infections or more recently inoculation),

sometimes the virus/infection dies out through lack of transmission if its blocked or kills all the hosts it can access.

 

The cold/flu is not so dangerous generally because its weeded out the more susceptible over centuries and we have better medication

- but still had a damn good go as recently as a hundred years ago.

 

Theres enough  compelling evidence that the Delta was more virulent (transmission and effects) and that the Omicron is more again .. each not a whole order of magnitude, but a noticeable shift. That effective vaccines were quickly generated has been a godsend ... so far. We may be squandering that.

 

There have been a lot of Cov mutations that weren't - but it keeps effectively mutating at the tail end of previous effective mutations - which makes it extraordinarily dangerous.

There were indications of this early in its life and when it was first mutating, hence the title of the thread.

 

You are deluded if you think this is anything close to over.

Especially when you have a total Piers Morgan in charge who doesn't even require LFT's before people come into the country, or lets his pals charge astronomical sums when he does require it.

and not only allows, but encourages mask refusal - which I think is the stupidest and most dangerous of all

 

 

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Perhaps for perspective, consider that if a time traveler took a spray can full of a mix of modern pretty bog standard, unpleasant but nothing special flu and cold and sprayed it on a corner of London or Bristol in 1775, whether you think it would be less deadly or would cause utter devastation across the land?

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2 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

Good Law Project [Jolyon Maugham] has established how Matt Hancock's pub landlord friend was awarded an NHS contract at the start of the pandemic.

 

 

 

Yet handcock is (ala Trump) trying to claim its fake news

 

 

2 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

 

Yes, around double the growth it seems even among pre infected and recovered.

- and Southern Africa might be more accurate, but news will be news

 

I'm still gobsmacked that it seems (I must be wrong) that there are literally hundreds came in from Africa and thousands from anywhere without a negative test?

Seems Johnson the corrupt learned nothing from bringing all those people in at the start of the first wave without tests.

 

Somebody tell him to say this

Catch me once, shame on you

Catch me twice shame on me

- Catch Johnson 3,4 or more times - shame on us all

 

 

 

 

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Thats what I thought to  HB, but I'm seeing reports that these really must have come in positive (which is why I flagged I must be wrong)

I truly hope that I am or have at least misunderstood in some way

 

First  examples (so far) of Omicron cases seems to have pushed back into October in Southern Africa (on retesting samples)

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"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “tinpot dictator” “mired in sleaze”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

“as he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches, he didn’t realise it was a party”

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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I could be that Omicron infects and spreads in the body quicker .. which might tie in with other things I'm seeing

Fake/incompetent tests is another option aka Immensa

 

Sorry HB I think I misread your post, the point I was making is that people should be (and I thought they were) tested immediately before a flight and again 2 days after arrival

A negative 20 minute LFT immediately before boarding seems the proper point to me

 

Not left the country myself this year.

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 "Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “tinpot dictator” “mired in sleaze”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

“as he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches, he didn’t realise it was a party”

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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I've had the moderna booster, with zero side effects so far.

Booked Jab handled professionally and very competently by the different place I went to. They are turning away people who dont have a booking.

 

 

This is worth a peruse as a measured view

 

WWW.ALJAZEERA.COM

Evidence suggests the new variant may be more transmissible than Delta, but there are still many unknowns at play.

 

 

NEXTSTRAIN.ORG

 

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"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “tinpot dictator” “mired in sleaze”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

“as he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches, he didn’t realise it was a party”

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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Well I attended local walk-in vaccination centre this afternoon.  Had Pfizer booster in my left arm and a flu vaccine in my right arm.  Earlier in the year I had 2 doses of AZ.

 

So far so good.

 

 

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much of a queue?

What did they do re booked appointments if they had those too?

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There was about 40 people in a queue and those who had appointments went in before the walk-in session started.

 

And the walk in session started at 3pm and I was out of the centre after a 5 minute sit down by 3.10pm.   After people had the jabs, they asked them to sit down for 5 mins, just in case they had a quick reaction.

 

Very efficiently run.   Some of the people had booked elsewhere and had decided to attend the walk-in centre, rather than wait for their booked appointments which were weeks away. 

 

 

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Any idea why they would open a walk in at an appointment center rather than offer more appointments?

 

Not sure how many people dont turn up for appointments - but they could have the last hour allocated for any available shots/time due to quick processing or failed appointments - is that what they did?

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Encouraging news from a study in the Lancet of how much immunity is boosted by a third vaccination.

 

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

Jabs offer far higher protection than that needed to prevent hospitalisation and death, Cov-Boost trial lead says

 

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Going for my Flu Jab on Monday the 6th, never had one before, they say I "may" be offered a Booster at the same time.

I hope I get the Booster as never been too fussed about the Flu Jab.

 

Been informed at work we have had our NHS Covid runs extended until at lease July 2022, which is great for the guys who are on 3 month rolling contracts.

 
 

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@maroondevo52 what appears to be happening, is that the companies arranging vaccinations have been provided with bulk supplies of both flu and covid boosters. So the staff doing the vaccinations have trays with both ready to go into arms.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

@maroondevo52 what appears to be happening, is that the companies arranging vaccinations have been provided with bulk supplies of both flu and covid boosters. So the staff doing the vaccinations have trays with both ready to go into arms.   

 

Hopefully I'll get both tomorrow.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 

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SALE OF THE CENTURY:

The government’s plans to sell off the UK’s vaccine manufacturing plant will leave the country vulnerable to emerging Covid variants ahead, the head of the centre behind the Oxford jab has warned.

 

Professor Adrian Hill told The Independent that the sale of the Vaccine Manufacturing Innovation Centre (VMIC) in Harwell was like “having been in a terrible war and you suddenly cut your defence budget substantially”.

 

Labour’s Wes Streeting, the new shadow health secretary, said it “would be unbelievably short-sighted and complacent” to sell off VMIC with a pandemic still raging. Meanwhile, concern mounts over the slow rollout of booster jabs. Data shows at least 300,000 housebound people haven’t yet had their booster, according to The Telegraph.

 

-Independent

 

 

 

 

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Vaccine Manufacturing Innovation Centre (VMIC) in Oxfordshire will become the first-ever facility dedicated for the development and...

 

 

 

 

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Early reports suggest Omicron may be less severe

The Omicron variant spreads quickly, but the resulting infection may be less severe than other forms of the coronavirus. Researchers in South Africa said that their Covid-19 wards were almost unrecognizable from previous phases of the pandemic, with few patients on oxygen machines.

 

 

Scientists cautioned against placing too much stock in either the potential good news of less severity

 

By the numbers: Of the 166 patients with the coronavirus admitted from Nov. 14 to Nov. 29 to the hospital complex, the average stay was 2.8 days, and fewer than 7 percent died. Over the previous 18 months, the average stay for such patients was 8.5 days, and 17 percent died.

 

 

Reality check

This is in a nation where the vast majority of the population has either been infected by a variant of the coronavirus, or has been vaccinated, or have died (rather like the UK except with vaccination VS infection numbers reversed)

- and despite the being the very early days of this variant and the prior variants killing vast numbers (at least 89,000) of the more susceptible in SA (a broadly similar 'ball park' percentage of the population to the 150,000 dead in the UK),

its still spreading like wildfire and more than 6 percent of the early hospitalisations are  dying ...

 

 

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oops - got the population figures wrong there for SA there - too many pages on different countries open examining issue and rather sluggish this morning

 

 

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