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1 hour ago, BazzaS said:

 

Great!.

 

Umm, what kits are these?. The antibody one's that they haven't yet found a reliable enough platform?, or some other self-test kit?.

 

BazzaS,

 

Sorry I didn't ask for the exact specifications or functions of the Test Kits, all I know is they are for NHS front line key workers.

Royal Mail Relay drivers are volunteering to deliver and collect these test kits 24/7. They are also out every day providing secure distribution 

of urgent documents and internal mail to Financial institutions, Banks, Building Societies, Insurance companies, HMRC and the DWP.

They also supply parts for every British Gas engineer in the UK.

 

When I find out exactly what type of test Kits they are I'll let you know.

 
 

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40 minutes ago, maroondevo52 said:

 

BazzaS,

 

Sorry I didn't ask for the exact specifications or functions of the Test Kits, all I know is they are for NHS front line key workers.

Royal Mail Relay drivers are volunteering to deliver and collect these test kits 24/7. They are also out every day providing secure distribution 

of urgent documents and internal mail to Financial institutions, Banks, Building Societies, Insurance companies, HMRC and the DWP.

They also supply parts for every British Gas engineer in the UK.

 

When I find out exactly what type of test Kits they are I'll let you know.


It is great that the delivery / collection logistics have been put in place, for when the kits are approved and available, with their processing in the labs set-up.

It’d be a shame if the rest became available and there wasn’t that delivery / collection system ready to go. Kudos to the RM staff supporting the testing, and delivering post & essential documents.

 

It still leaves the promise of “jam tomorrow” for testing NHS staff.

I haven’t seen it made clear what tests, for who (prioritised how, when the tests are first available in limited supply)

 

Is this testing NHS staff off unwell? There is a pitfall here.

Testing NHS staff who are well, but off as “household contacts” of a symptomatic case? Or testing the symptomatic case that is the household contact of the NHS worker.

 

If this is antigen or NAAT testing, I’d suggest the highest priority would be the latter case, and when test supply is most limited, prioritising:

a) staff essential to the supply of

i) critical care and

ii) the lab testing, then prioritising

b) those with the longest remaining of the NHS worker’s 14 days isolation.

 

Use the kits on those with the longest still off work who can supply the most essential work, to maximise their return.

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19 hours ago, London1971 said:

Note that most experts believe that re infection cases are faulty tests. Plus there are always a small number of people who can get something twice.

 

 

Perhaps.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/03/15/can-you-get-infected-by-coronavirus-twice-how-does-covid-19-immunity-work/

 

https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/24912/20200226/covid-19-reinfection-is-possible-experts-say.htm

 

 

 

and I hope cjcregg now realises that even doctors were NOT receiving essential protective equipment as little time ago as last weekend

... now the chair of the BMA has come out and stated it on BBC news.

 

 

 

 

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It looks like Royal Mail along with Amazon Logistics will deliver Kits to the homes of NHS staff who will post their samples into one of 13,000 priority postboxes. Royal Mail will deliver returned samples to the testing labs using Tracked 24.

 

The first samples to be processed in the labs will be from frontline health workers. As the labs capacity increases, other frontline workers will be tested.

 

Royal Mail Relay will be initially collecting from 12 Testing Stations involving, Epsom, Thurrock, Bristol, Nottingham, Wednesbury, Manchester,

Gateshead, Edinburgh and Belfast, although this is expected to increase very quickly to well over 40 locations involving all Royal Mail depots.

 

The delivery locations will involve Milton Keynes, Manchester, Edinburgh and Belfast.

 

 

 

 

 
 

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17 hours ago, London1971 said:

This is ridiculous. Nobody could prepare for an event like this on that scale.

 

Maybe after this we will realise that spending 30 billion on being prepared for a pandemic will save maybe a Trillion when the next one hits.

 

Given (prior) SARS and MERS and Ebola, it was only a matter of time.

 

We could be heading into a world where you need a medical OK to fly it these events become couple of times a decade events - let alone more.

 

At the moment the temperature screen seems vital (IMO) even if it doesn't get every person, and may not trap any of a new mutated outbreak as

1. It should trap quite a few

2. Those it does trap raises the alarm

 

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 "Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “tinpot dictator” “mired in sleaze”

Boris Johnson Mendex est

 

“The failure of the cheerleaders of Brexit to acknowledge the consequences of Brexit as due to Brexit remains remarkable.” - David Schneider

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1 hour ago, maroondevo52 said:

 

Royal Mail will deliver returned samples to the testing labs using Tracked 24.

 

 


Will you be able to tell us when this starts happening ‘at scale’, (rather than just the ‘pilot’ that allows us to be told “it has started”).

 

You’ll notice there hasn’t been a great fanfare about the large scale testing (that was promised) actually happening.

 

Anyone have any figures for numbers of tests (and which tests!) being done per day by UK labs?

I suspect it is still close to the 10-12,000 tests / day mark (excluding non-accredited labs / tests, and tests sent abroad in desperation), and NAATs tests, rather than antigen or antibody .......

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As of 9am on 9 April, 298,169 tests have concluded across the UK, with 16,095 tests carried out on 8 April. Some individuals are tested more than once for clinical reasons.

243,421 people have been tested, of whom 65,077 tested positive. The tests concluded figure excludes data from Northern Ireland.

As of 5pm on 8 April, of those hospitalised in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus, 7,978 have died.

  Tests People tested Positive Deaths
Daily 16,095 10,713 4,344 881
Total 298,169 243,421 65,077 7,978
 
 

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are those figures just the hospitalised figures?

eg Not including care homes, home deaths etc

 

Let alone all the untested whether with or without symptoms, and isolated or not ...

 

 

PLUS - Last figures i saw was that in excess of 99.5% of even frontline NHS staff remain untested, let alone shop assistants or anyone else.

So who has actually been tested, apart from Johnson and his pals? Doesn't seem to be nurses as yet.

 

Plus, as of last week apparently around 50% of doctors didn't have access to even basic protection equipment, with hospitals relying on local businesses to make some.

 

 

Just a little thought

@16,000 tests a day it'll take over 10 years to test everyone just once won't it?

Which means at 160,000 tests a day - its still over a year ..

Someone check my rough calc... looks crazy to me.

 

and possibly with:

'SARS-CoV-2 is mutating 1,000x faster than influenza viruses and 36,000x faster than measles'

 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yKVsKQMaPyC7I7caorMPkzFa0SxYZFirRrQ4qbiBnJ4/edit#

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Why ramp up repeats?

 

I’ve checked (with a contact for a District General Hospital) : 2-5 day turn around for testing from “swab to result”, and they have repeat tested ONE patient (not one per day, but one since early February).

 

So, unless the labs are doing repeat tests on one same, or e.g. London / Birmingham are doing masses of repeat testing (& if so, why?), those figures don’t make sense .

 

looking at the totals, 298k tests from

243k patients is still 56k repeats, a 23% repeat rate .....

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The cases in South Korea must be concerning, where people have tested positive, have recovered ( so it was thought) and the virus has then somehow reactivated in their systems.  They have apparently ruled out being reinfected and think the virus remained. 

 

Seems a bit of a tricky virus, which may be difficult to get a grip on.  At the daily press conference the Doctor advising Government stated that even when there are reduced numbers of people in Hospital, he expected people would continue to become infected with the virus throughout the country for many months. So this lock down might be eased in say a month, but there may still need to be measures taken perhaps on a local level, depending on numbers of cases verified

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17 hours ago, BazzaS said:

10,713 people tested, 16,095 tests.

 

so that’s 5382 repeats, or about 1/2 again for each person tested. I can’t see why it should need to be that high?

 

Only reason I can think of is that they aren't accurately reporting all the people being tested

 

Perhaps people like Dalglish who was apparently tested 'just in case' when he went in for something else not being included.

 

"Dalglish was admitted to hospital on Wednesday for treatment of an infection which required intravenous antibiotics.

The 69-year-old former Celtic and Scotland forward was routinely tested for coronavirus after being admitted."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52250176

 

 

The 'official' reported figures for deaths would seem to be - low - only hospital deaths - and many of those figures 'slow to be reported'

 

https://www.ft.com/content/c07e267b-7bca-418f-ad9e-8631a29854cb

 

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2 minutes ago, cjcregg said:

 

Lucky that the hospital weren't relying on temperature screening guns eh?

 

 

To help them target those who might urgently need testing and isolating making optimum use of the highly limited testing facilities ?

... Whether admissions, staff or delivery men ...

 

 

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I'm very sad to hear that two comedians, Tim Brooke-Taylor of the Goodies and I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue and Eddie Large of Little and Large have both succumbed to Covid.

 

Plus of course all the less well known people who should also be mentioned and remembered every day.

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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On 11/04/2020 at 09:35, tobyjugg2 said:

Only reason I can think of is that they aren't accurately reporting all the people being tested

 

Perhaps people like Dalglish who was apparently tested 'just in case' when he went in for something else not being included.

My father was tested on admission to hospital with a completely unrelated issue, he didn't have any symptoms.

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The coronavirus travelled all over the world from Wuhan China, but it did not reach Beijing or Shanghai or

other major cities in China.

Can anyone explain how is that possible?
There are so many questions, after all, where it all started, in China, the Chinese stock market did not collapse,
but the American and European markets did, and when those markets collapsed, the Chinese bought a lot.
All roads lead back to China

1. They created a virus for which they already had an antidote.
2. They purposely spread the virus for financial gain.

3. There is a clear demonstration of efficiency to such an extent that they built hospitals in a

few days. To build so many hospitals they had to be prepared with organized projects, for
example, with the ordering of equipment, the hiring of labour, the water and sewerage network,
the prefabricated building materials and the storage in an impressive volume. Everything
happened so fast that everyone was speechless
.

4. They caused chaos in the world, beginning with Europe and the rest of the western worlds.

5. Quickly decimating the economies of dozens of countries.
6. Stop production and manufacturing lines in factories and primary production in dozens
of countries.
7. Causing the stock markets to crash and then they bought stocks, bonds and companies at
bargain prices.
8. They then quickly gained control of the epidemic in their country. After all, they were ready
and he was never really out of control.

9. In all this, they managed to lower the price of basic products, including the price of oil.
10. Now they are going back to mass production while the rest of the world is stopped.
Also note how quickly Chinese unions activated to "hoard" purchases of bus cargo to regional
shopping centres across Australia,
stripping our shelves of toilet paper and staple foods.
It happened before most of us knew what was happening, even before we knew what the
Coronavirus was

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5 days ago - All roads lead back to China. 1. They created a virus for which they already had an antidote. 2. They purposely spread the virus for financial gain. 3. There is a clear demonstration of efficiency to such an extent that they built hospitals in a ... To build so many hospitals they had to be prepared with organized ...
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I was watching a news programme earlier and there was an item on how Chinese University  research departments were given official guidance by the Government, that they must not produce any reports on where/how the virus was generated.

 

Definitely questions that will need to be answered, given that research laboratories in Wuhan had apparently been carrying out research into Coronavirus obtained from Bats, before this Pandemic started.  

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                           The virus

 

The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent virus threat and have therefore raised their threat level from “Miffed” to “Peeved.” Soon, though, level may be raised yet again to “Irritated” or even “A Bit Cross.”

The English have not been “A Bit Cross” since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out.

The virus has been re-categorized from “Tiresome” to “A Bloody Nuisance.” The last time the British issued a “Bloody Nuisance” warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.

The Scots have raised their threat level from “Pissed Off” to “Let's Get the Bastard.” They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.

The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its alert level from “Run” to “Hide.” The only two higher levels in France are “Collaborate” and “Surrender.” The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France's white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country's military capability.

Italy has increased the alert level from “Shout Loudly and Excitedly” to “Elaborate Military Posturing.” Two more levels remain: “Ineffective Combat Operations” and “Change Sides.”

The Germans have increased their alert state from “Disdainful Arrogance” to “Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs.” They also have two higher levels: “Invade a Neighbour” and “Lose.”

Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels.

The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.

Australia, meanwhile, has raised its alert level from “No worries” to “She'll be alright, Mate.” Two more escalation levels remain: “Crikey! I think we'll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!” and “The barbie is cancelled.” So far, no situation has ever warranted use of the final escalation level.

 

 

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The Welsh are making Chicken (non chlorinated) and Leek soup, as its known to be nourishing, and help keep the bodies defences up.  Meanwhile ways are being sought to deploy a detachment of the Llandudno Goats at the Border on the A55 to help Heddlu Gogledd Cymru keep the English out, and away from their second homes that make homes unaffordable for locals in places like Abersoch.

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Good find HB, UK Gov are acting all Soviet with Central Command and Control, another take on this here its Richard Nort's son

 

https://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2020/04/corona-rot-at-top.html

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