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Yes DIdo'd T & T and all the shenanigans has been a disater, as would be giving anything to Palantir. a US datacorp, part funded by the CIA.

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2 hours ago, brassnecked said:

Just bear in mind that the vaccines are licenced for Emergency use only with 2 years of a Clinical trial left, the adverse effects are coming to light, and are hidden in plain sight in the UKGov statistics.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions

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Crap data presentation - probably deliberately. If it isnt deliverately obtuse, then any 'executive who didnt say WTF is this telling me ... isnt worth tuppence as an executive.

 

In trying to generate some meaning from it (ie how many of which what age etc) I came across this

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/04/02/shocking-u-k-government-release-9th-report-on-adverse-reactions-to-the-covid-vaccines/

 

If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

you would do exactly what (England) are doing

Jemma Geoghegan - evolutionary virologist, University of Otago

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Knowing Johnson - Seems to me likely Johnson sent the doses just so he could claim that the UK has exported doses to someone

.. and undoubtedly the agreement the Aussies have with UK astrazenica didnt relinquish rights to sue over none delivery like the EU did.

 

 

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If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

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Jemma Geoghegan - evolutionary virologist, University of Otago

+ the vast majority of the worlds scientific community

 

"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

Boris Johnson Mendax est

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Meanwhile the need for Mass testing of UK Population deconstructed, as it introduces more problems and ever moving goalposts away from any normality.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9438575/twice-weekly-Covid-tests-spark-fear-mongering-anxiety-writes-DR-JOHN-LEE.html

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19 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

Knowing Johnson - Seems to me likely Johnson sent the doses just so he could claim that the UK has exported doses to someone

.. and undoubtedly the agreement the Aussies have with UK astrazenica didnt relinquish rights to sue over none delivery like the EU did.

 

 

 

I also had the thought that Johnson is trying to buddy up with Australia and New Zealand with their trade club, isn't he?

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BN, I don't see mass testing working unless people who can't afford to stay away from work are given proper financial support when they test positive.

 

It's OK if you're a Westminster politician and would be paid anyway, but people who won't be paid by their employers aren't likely to offer to be tested in the first place.

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Some differences of opinion on whether the UK will reach herd immunity next week - or a lot further in the future at best

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/herd-immunity-covid-coronavirus-uk-b1828267.html

 

Must admit I disagree quite strongly with UCL's opinion, but hope I am wrong.

Some possible issues

* UCL based figures are (incredibly) based purely on % inoculated/prior infected without considering new variants and that the people who are mixing and will be mixing even more in lockdown de-restrictions are those who HAVEN'T been inoculated,, let alone quite possible reinfection/new variant infection rates

 

Although 'herd immunity' is not immunity in any case, I cant see how we will be anywhere near that except in a mindless and largely meaningless statistical way (eg Including in an 'over weighted' way  all the people inoculated who generally always do largely isolate due to age/care home/compromised immune etc anyway)

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If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

you would do exactly what (England) are doing

Jemma Geoghegan - evolutionary virologist, University of Otago

+ the vast majority of the worlds scientific community

 

"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

Boris Johnson Mendax est

Remember when Johnson or Patel are on stage - Its your choice to BOOO

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34 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

 

I also had the thought that Johnson is trying to buddy up with Australia and New Zealand with their trade club, isn't he?

 

Cant see Australia actually offering anything other than what/how they want to send to us over that ('lower standards' tariff free meat for example), and cant see Johnson doing it in trust that the Aussies would

 

If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

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+ the vast majority of the worlds scientific community

 

"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

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I'm not finding all the different projections very helpful, I have to admit. They're projections and could be proved wrong pretty quickly through events.

 

Meanwhile, Vanity Fair has an article on why the US isn't exporting medicines, thanks to deals signed in the Trump era. As someone comments, it would be very sad if the US has vaccines going out of date while people in other parts of the world are dying.

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/04/why-the-us-still-cant-donate-covid-19-vaccines-to-countries-in-need?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wp_todays_worldview&utm_brand=vanity-fair&utm_social-type=earned&wpisrc=nl_todayworld

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Cant see Australia actually offering anything other than what/how they want to send to us over that ('lower standards' tariff free meat for example), and cant see Johnson doing it in trust that the Aussies would

 

It takes one to know one, as they say. :)

 

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It doesn't have to be Trump to be America first

It is always the case.

If fact even more so under Biden, as Johnson, like Trump -is, always was, and always will be Johnson/Trump first.

 

The US are NOT our friends, they are allies of convenience - their convenience,

and they wouldn't trust Johnson any more than any other leader would - ie they wont.

 

 

With Australia/UK its likely more a convenience 'pressure the EU' alliance

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If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

you would do exactly what (England) are doing

Jemma Geoghegan - evolutionary virologist, University of Otago

+ the vast majority of the worlds scientific community

 

"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

Boris Johnson Mendax est

Remember when Johnson or Patel are on stage - Its your choice to BOOO

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I don't think the EU's in the mood to be pressured, TJ. Their vaccine programmes are finally getting underway with large numbers of cases, so I'd think they consider their own problems as more pressing than those of the UK or Oz.

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True, but what other option do the UK/Australia have?

India not exporting until their need catered for (many months likely)

US exporting to local (to them) countries based on US interests

EU heading for full blown albeit quiet trade war with UK .. and doesn't give much of a monkeys about what Australia wants on Australian terms

 

Also need to remember that the US has a VERY powerful Irish lobby - and NOT the DUP - and is showing FAR more interest in the EU (double Irish whammy to Johnsons wants) as a partner

Johnson is making the UK largely irrelevent

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If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

you would do exactly what (England) are doing

Jemma Geoghegan - evolutionary virologist, University of Otago

+ the vast majority of the worlds scientific community

 

"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

Boris Johnson Mendax est

Remember when Johnson or Patel are on stage - Its your choice to BOOO

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Interesting that the Aussies are shouting 'Its just semantics when the EU say they aren't 'blocking' exports of the vaccine

 

Wonder where even the thought of such a concept could have come from?

 

 

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If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

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Jemma Geoghegan - evolutionary virologist, University of Otago

+ the vast majority of the worlds scientific community

 

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"we had contracted 3 million doses with AstraZeneca, and if the export controls hadn’t been put in place in Europe. then AstraZeneca would have been able to [meet the contracts]. "

- Dan Tehan - Aussie trade minister

 

LOL

If so ... - The only country that would have got all they ordered or expected

 

If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

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Jemma Geoghegan - evolutionary virologist, University of Otago

+ the vast majority of the worlds scientific community

 

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as reported by the aussie paper:

“It is important to note that since the implementation of the export authorisation system, Australia has received more than one million doses of vaccines from the EU.”

 

If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

you would do exactly what (England) are doing

Jemma Geoghegan - evolutionary virologist, University of Otago

+ the vast majority of the worlds scientific community

 

"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

Boris Johnson Mendax est

Remember when Johnson or Patel are on stage - Its your choice to BOOO

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The dangerous rise of coronavirus variants

A surge in new coronavirus cases in Europe is being propelled by a variant known as B.1.1.7, first seen in Britain, which is not only more contagious than the original virus, but deadlier. Thousands are dying each day, and European countries’ battered economies are once again being hit by new restrictions on daily life.

Other variants of concern are also present in Europe. B.1.351, the one first detected in South Africa, has been found to reduce the effectiveness of some vaccines, while P.1, which has walloped Brazil, appears to be especially contagious and also contains a mutation that diminishes the vaccines’ effectiveness. Our interactive shows how the variants have spread across the continent.

-NYT  briefing

 

 

and a reminder that younger folk are dying too - more visible now there are lesss older folk to continue dying after the earlier peaks killed 10s' thousands

121873452_UKexcessdeaths.thumb.jpg.4796e222a7b61921485ce46b0bc4fa30.jpg

 

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If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

you would do exactly what (England) are doing

Jemma Geoghegan - evolutionary virologist, University of Otago

+ the vast majority of the worlds scientific community

 

"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

Boris Johnson Mendax est

Remember when Johnson or Patel are on stage - Its your choice to BOOO

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As the UK restricts the O/AZ vaccine to over 60s, maybe, if possible, after they mainly used it on over 60s and have already claimed almost all of that age range have been innoculates,

... and after almost exclusively testing it on under 60s and claiming very high levels of efficacy and safety..

 

Australia is the latest to restrict the use of the O/AZ vaccine to over 50s and gives up on its plans to inoculate all Australians this year,

... after whinging at the EU that the EU restricted the UKs' intended export of EU manufactured O/AZ vaccines from the EU to Australia,

.. and after the EU export of a million or more doses of EU pfiser vaccine to Australia was rewarded by Johnson enabled attempts at back stabbing ..

 

I think trust in O/AZ has reached depths that likely cant be recovered from.

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If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

you would do exactly what (England) are doing

Jemma Geoghegan - evolutionary virologist, University of Otago

+ the vast majority of the worlds scientific community

 

"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

Boris Johnson Mendax est

Remember when Johnson or Patel are on stage - Its your choice to BOOO

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The other one we don't hear much about, the Johnson & Johnson also has been called into question over blood clots 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9456597/Scientists-say-blood-clots-caused-Johnson-Johnson-vaccine-extraordinarily-rare.html

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both adenovirus vaccines aren't they + the Russian sputnik vaccine that the UK may have been planning a soup/casserole with the O/AZ

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If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

you would do exactly what (England) are doing

Jemma Geoghegan - evolutionary virologist, University of Otago

+ the vast majority of the worlds scientific community

 

"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

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Oh and second doses of pfiser seem to be dropping NHS staff like flies for 24-48 hours

- seemingly similar effects to first dose of AZ

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If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

you would do exactly what (England) are doing

Jemma Geoghegan - evolutionary virologist, University of Otago

+ the vast majority of the worlds scientific community

 

"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/13/boris-johnson-easing-lockdown-will-increase-covid-infections

 

seems Johnson is now spinning that the vaccination program ISN'T why the UK is able to come out of lockdown despite falling cases - which also aren't primarily as a result of the UK's vaccination program, despite Johnson banging on about the Uk's vaccination program for weeks ... It was the lockdown

 

Now that reality is approaching and he wants to over-write his horse-shot history again...

 

He now starting to state what was actually bloody obvious for ages .. while he was spinning moonsh*t

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/13/surge-testing-may-not-be-enough-to-curb-covid-variants-in-uk-say-scientists

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If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity

you would do exactly what (England) are doing

Jemma Geoghegan - evolutionary virologist, University of Otago

+ the vast majority of the worlds scientific community

 

"unrepentant and inveterate liar" “Moral emptiness and epidemiological stupidity”

Boris Johnson Mendax est

Remember when Johnson or Patel are on stage - Its your choice to BOOO

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They are also now punting the idea of mix & match vaccines so are looking for volunteers. count me out captain Its now obvious its more than vaccines and virus, its about total control, maybe the tinfoil hatter's were 50% correct.  Wales is virtually Covid free but Drakeford has another lockdown in mind around Election Day.

 

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/mixed-covid-19-vaccines-trial-expanded-include-two-further-jabs/

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