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 The polio in sewage ukhsa thinks it a mutation from a live vaccine potentially

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Covid waves are likely to have a ‘deleterious’ impact on hospital waiting times, warns senior medic

 

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Dose of COVID each , just recovering after six days with it despite having more vacations than a pin cushion (god knows what it would have been like without them)
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People now coming back from holidays abroad with Covid.  This is going to cause major disruptions, as transport operators, businesses etc will not be able to provide services to customers.

 

 

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I don't know enough to comment on what's in this article but Imperial College is a respected institution and has a strong medical side. It's thought provoking.

 

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‘Living with the virus’ is proving much harder than the early vaccine success suggested, says professor of immunology Danny Altmann

 

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Perhaps the only way forward is to live with Covid being around and accept the problems it causes., while waiting for better vaccinations to become available.

 

But to protect health services, if there is a lot of Covid in circulation, to recommend LFT's to be taken before visiting elderly or those with health conditions that make them vulnerable.  And to identify the most vulnerable who should be shielded.

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1. I'm not so sure LFTs are at all effective with omicron v.4 and V.5. even when highly symptomatic - and the Omicron variants transmit very quickly with very low 'quantity

Its claimed that perhaps 50% of 'colds' are actually covid. I know a number of people who have had (or have) cold symptoms, often for unusually extended periods, yet they continue to test negative (including myself)

 

2. The point that there isnt any real 'herd immunity' .. at least until a generation or 2 hence and many million more deaths .. Sure I've already stated this here. Although the confirmed science is quite recent, the projected science always made that most likely.

 

3. long Covid ....

 

 

and too true HB, Masks + vaccinations are the most effective resource

Variant vaccines are on the near horizon, but with millions infected - mutations are generating generating generating, and its very unlikely we are even beyond (hopefully approaching) the end of the beginning of this as yet.

 

 

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Its likely it will be a variant vaccine for the autumn vaccine project, although its likely to be a vaccine intended targeting BA1, already limited effectiveness (but not ineffective) against v4+5 - and who knows what the variants will be in 3+ months

 

we also have recombinent versions to worry about. Covid really is learning our makeup very effectively.

 

 

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and despite the apparently current very high level of people with extended cold/flu like symptoms (which seems likely peoples immune systems catching colds and catching up after the lockdowns), which are reported as half covid - half colds/other respiratory issues, current projections seem to be for a very bad flu season in line with a real upsurge in covid infections with a high possibility of a raft of new covid variants with unknown infectiousness/harm this Autumn.

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Worth a careful and considered peruse. There's so much garbage being spouted around this, but there are some golden nuggets of truth.

 

 

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Dig out the fermented cabbage .. (sauerkraut)

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On 23/06/2022 at 10:53, brassnecked said:

 The polio in sewage ukhsa thinks it a mutation from a live vaccine potentiallygovuk-opengraph-image-dade2dad5775023b05

 


It IS a mutation from a live (attenuated) vaccine strain (the UKHSA notes make that clear).

What isn’t clear is if the mutation is “reversion to wild type”, where the mutation from the attenuated strain makes it able to again cause the disease polio.

 

Shedding of the live attenuated vaccine virus has always been recognised. It is why the sewage surveillance system was set up (the surveillance that picked up sustained detection of the virus rather than the usual, expected, sporadic detection every now and again of imported vaccine strains)

 

Once the risk of “reversion from wild type” risk from shed vaccine exceeded the risk from polio for the U.K., this was when the U.K. switched back from live-attenuated (“sugar lump” oral) vaccine to the non-live injected vaccine to remove the risk FROM people vaccinated in the U.K. passing on the attenuated virus / it reverting to “wild type”.

 

This vaccine derived strain detected here is from virus that has come into the U.K. with someone vaccinated abroad with the attenuated vaccine, OR a non-vaccinated U.K. traveller returning to the U.K. having met the vaccine strain abroad.
 

 

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1. I'm not so sure LFTs are at all effective with omicron v.4 and V.5. even when highly symptomatic - and the Omicron variants transmit very quickly with very low 'quantity

Its claimed that perhaps 50% of 'colds' are actually covid. I know a number of people who have had (or have) cold symptoms, often for unusually extended periods, yet they continue to test negative (including myself)

 


Where is your evidence? (For the LFD’s in use in the U.K. having low sensitivity, with the “highly symptomatic” for BA.4 and/or BA.5? Folks, don’t hold your breathe for this as that poster rarely if ever can back up their assertions.

 

You do know coronavirus HKU-1 is circulating, too, and likely HCoV-229E, HCoV-OC43, and HCoV-NL63. (I’ve seen 2 lab reports for HKU-1 in hospitalised patients with other health conditions as part of being asked to help with “how do we explain these to people so they know it is different to Covid”)

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Regarding the variant vaccines, there are 2 current approaches:

1. Bivalent vaccines - which are targeted against both the 'original Wuhan' stain and the 'first omicron variant

2. Vaccine specifically targeting the early Omicron variant (not the 4/5 'omicron variants)

 

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Neither are specifically targeting the .4 or .5 omicron variants and have reduced effectiveness against them, although all vaccines (with varying levels of effectiveness) do seem to reduce the incidence of severe illness and death, even against the newer variants - so far.

Note 2

Quite a bit (but not all) of the effectiveness against corona-virus variants seems to be during a relatively short period (3-6 months) after the vaccinations - almost certainly due to the different forms of our bodies defenses. (see links below)

 

* Given that Coronavirus is demonstrating it's happy to 'merge with prior strains, option 2 seems a poor option at this stage in the game despite it claiming slightly better effectiveness against the .4/5 variants.

* Coronavirus has already demonstrated will ready re-infect with variants and will recombine with earlier variants

 

Seems clear to ne that a cocktail (like the flu vaccine) still seems to be the best option - as it has from the start.

+ At this stage that the variant vaccines are targeting the 'first Omicron variant (6 months in), without a speedy (sub 3 months) ability to be modified for newer variants is a massive failure.

 

 

Background on defense mechanisms and background on these variants

 

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Via cytotoxic cells When a virus infects a person (host), it invades the cells of its host in order to survive and replicate. Once inside, the cells of the...

 

 

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This new variant is set to be the most common one in the U.S. soon.

 

 

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A new study describes mutations found in the SARS-CoV-2 BA.1 variant in Hong Kong and New Zealand.

 

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They are now the dominant strains in the US and elsewhere, and many countries are expecting a surge in cases in the coming months.

 

 

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Here's Stephen Reicher of SAGE on the current situation with masks, etc.

 

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Acting like the virus is no longer a risk undermines our trust in public health measures, says psychologist Stephen Reicher

 

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Its now hitting mainstream news

 

"They noted that, contrary to a popular held belief that vaccines and previous infection would provide “a wall of immunity”, nations are instead experiencing “wave after wave of new cases”."

 

 

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‘Even having had Omicron, we’re not well protected from further infections,’ said Prof Danny Altmann

 

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The BA.2.75 sub-variant has some alarming mutations in the key spike protein. It has a saltation

 

of 16 mutations. Eight of them are in the spike region: four in the N-terminal domain and four in the receptor-binding domain (see graphic below).

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Just as the BA.5 sub-variant was poised to take over all the other omicron sub-variants, BA.2.75 popped up to complicate the Indian SARS-CoV-2...

 

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Now spreading in at least 10 countries, but it's too soon to tell how virulent or deadly it is

 

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Worth reading as its not 'stating the ****** obvious as it first might seem

 

 

One coronavirus infection wards off another

Data from Qatar suggest that natural immunity induced by infection with SARS-CoV-2 provides a strong shield against reinfection by a pre-Omicron variant for 16 months or longer. This protection against catching the virus dwindles over time, but immunity triggered by previous infection also thwarts the development of severe COVID-19 symptoms — and this safeguard shows no signs of waning. Scientists also warn that the study’s results do not mean that infected people can skip vaccination. A separate study by many of the same authors found that people who had both natural immunity and vaccine immunity were substantially more protected against the virus than people who had only one of the two.

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Reference: medRxiv preprint (not peer reviewed) & The New England Journal of Medicine paper

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Not completely convinced yet, but looks promising

 

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Scientific Reports - Cross-reactive antibodies elicited to conserved epitopes on SARS-CoV-2 spike protein after infection and vaccination

 

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One to ponder a paper from Prof Dan Broudy  analysing the tech and future for humanity postulated by Youval Noah Harari.   It does have a lingk to Covid sort of.  But its all just a Conspiracy Therory  right?

 

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Neil Asher does it better

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