Mutating Corona Virus

[tobyjugg2]

Confusion between tennis association - state - federal

- and that 30 minutes before his time was up was a real shoot self in the foot

 

@hightail

 

Re accuracy of lft swabs

 

Up until Christmas, we were using throat and nasal swabs, but have recently been given nasal only lft swabs

Not absolutely conclusive so far, and I'm not clear on the ins and outs of using the (short swab) nasal only test kits in a throat and nasal way

- you should always follow the instructions folks

 

But was your daughter using the nasal only tests when it didn't catch the infection?

 

I've been seeing some evidence (not fully peer reviewed etc) that with Omicron, throat swabbing is the place to be to catch it best ..

 

We are getting lots of people (including us) reporting getting nose bleeds since moving onto the nose only blue packs of swabs too where they didn't with the (longer!!) throat and nose swabs

- a lot of these are NHS staff

Edited January 14, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[hightail]

7 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

But was your daughter using the nasal only tests when it didn't catch the infection?

I don't know but it's very likely.  I have ordered testing kits regularly since first available and I've been sent nasal only for the bulk of that time. 

Edited January 14, 2022 by hightail

[tobyjugg2]

Worth a read - worth highlighting that CDC says not to

- seemingly/apparently more due to some folk hurting themselves with throats swabs

 

Swab throat too when using rapid COVID test, Israel's Health Ministry says

WWW.REUTERS.COM

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Israel's Health Ministry on Monday instructed people self-testing for COVID-19 to swab their throat as well as their nose when using rapid...

 

 

Should you swab your throat to better detect omicron? Experts weigh in

WWW.TODAY.COM

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For at-home rapid COVID-19 tests, there are suggestions people should swab their throat and their nose for a more accurate result. Experts...

 

 

Swab both your throat and nose to identify Omicron with lateral flow tests, experts warn

INEWS.CO.UK

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Anecdotal evidence shows that Lateral Flow Tests are more effective at identifying positive cases with both throat and nasal samples

 

 

Edited January 14, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Interestingly, other half and I both had an increase in cold type symptoms over last 24 hours, both had mild sore throat and 'wobbly tummys'

We have both been testing very regularly over Christmas new year - mainly daily.

 

Thinking we might actually have caught Covid, Took the symptoms as a sign to test the tests

 

Did three tests from same nasal swab 7 pack

Throat only

nose only

Throat and nose

 

Was of course thinking that if only the throat or throat and nose came up positive  ...

 

... All negative - so confidently assuming it is just a slightly congested cold as it seemed to be. ... so far

Will test again tomorrow and monday

 

I am default throat and nasal testing - but if it comes up positive, i will immediately do a nasal only test.

Edited January 15, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

 

“as he waded through the empty bottles and platters of sandwiches, he didn’t realise it was a party”

[tobyjugg2]

Going back to the lfts

 

We are recieving nasal and throat/nasal packs that look exactly the same (blue/white packaging etc) apart from some have small swabs some have long swabs (throat and nose) (we've had just a couple of green pack nasal only)

 

Still doing throat and nose whichever we get.

 

 

interesting the headlines saying 4th booster not effective against omicron

- these are misleading headlines.

The vaccines have always been better at preventing severe infection and death than transmission, its just the degree thats changing due to the MUTATING CORONAVIRUS mutating around prior vaccines.

 

Also interesting some rather premature claims that another wave in summer will be mild with fewer deaths and little effect

... what they dont say is that is premised on Delta/Omicron still being the primary variants, and that the MUTATING CORONAVIRUS wont mutate around the vaccine (which was built around an earlier variant) further as the OMicron and every major variant has so far ..

 

Stupidity - or conspiracy ? dunno.

Apparently Omicron targetted vaccine variants are expected in about 2-3 months - although seems likely a variant (or two) further mutated to avoid the vaccine is VERY likely by then.

 

Edited January 19, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

France has passed a law that says all sportspeople must be vaccinated in order to compete.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jan/17/djokovics-french-open-title-defence-in-doubt-over-covid-pass-ruling

 

In separate news, Djokovic has shares in a biotech company developing a drug treatment for Covid.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jan/19/novak-djokovic-stake-biotech-firm-quantbiores-covid

 

[tobyjugg2]

LOL

So he thinks theres profit in it at least?

 

No-Vak is something of a new-age nut though.

(I know, bit rich from someone who believes Atlantis was a real)

 

 

Edited January 19, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[unclebulgaria67]

This pandemic is not over.  I can see the UK Governments direction of travel to an endemic way of dealing with Covid  same as flu as being a bit premature.

 

 

[honeybee13]

I agree, UB. The virus hasn't read the press releases and doesn't go away just because ministers are in denial.

[honeybee13]

Quotes from the head of the BMA. He seems to agree with you, UB.

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

Johnson and the Tories think that the NHS not quite actually collapsed into a heap despite a backlog that will take a decade/syphon loadsamoney into the private sector - is a success

... Of course

[tobyjugg2]

For the anti-vaxers

mature content - but not really offensive or indecent as such

 

 

My penis SHRANK more than an inch 'due to damage from Covid' - and docs say it's permanent

WWW.THE-SUN.COM

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A MAN claims his penis has shrunk by an inch-and-a-half due to Covid, and doctors say it can't be fixed.The anonymous male said the lasting effect of

 

 

oh and it seems Johnsons child was the one infected

[tobyjugg2]

 

The British Medical Association, @TheBMA

 says removing all restrictions in England "will inevitably increase transmission" and "place the public at greater risk", adding that it risks a "rebound" of Omicron infections when "the NHS is still under crippling pressure".

 

 

Sarah Hurst

@Life_Disrupted

 

I want to hear Chris Whitty explain why wearing masks was required and now it's not.

[honeybee13]

That's not a good position for Whitty to be in. I wonder if dropping nearly all the rules has anything to do with JVT resigning?

[tobyjugg2]

I think its been on the cards for a while, and if not before, as soon as it became clear that the ERG was in the driving seat and all restrictions would soon be gone, no matter whay science said or how high the bodies would pile

- that was it.

 

With currently 300 plus a day dying despite the available mitigations and around 2000 a day hospitalised

- seems premature to embolden the maskless and vaccineless

 

That Johnsons child has apparently JUST been quite ill with it shows what a ****** Piers Morgan he is.

- or maybe that was just an excuse for Johnson - I wouldn't put it past him for a moment

Edited January 20, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[unclebulgaria67]

Some appear to believe that many of those dying may have died during a bad flu season anyway and we would not close the country down for flu.

 

But excess deaths since Covid have been about 125,000 and if Government treats it like flu, with it continuing to circulate with different variants, then that is very risky.

 

What is the science on treating Covid in the same way as Flu ?

 

 

[honeybee13]

Herd immunity?

[unclebulgaria67]

Thought herd immunity strategy for Covid was seen as too risky, as not enough known about how it changes into different variants ?

[honeybee13]

I'm not convinced any science is being followed tbh, UB. I think Johnson wants to lift restrictions to get the right wingers off his back and maybe to try and please 'the people'.

[tobyjugg2]

2 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

Some appear to believe that many of those dying may have died during a bad flu season anyway and we would not close the country down for flu.

 

 

Says who apart from you and a few conspiracy anti-vax nuts?

[honeybee13]

I'm not sure UB is saying he thinks that, TJ. Can we steer clear of making this personal please?

[tobyjugg2]

Its a quite clear presentation he made HB, with no linked support for it and no real world statement balancing the seemingly repeated anti-vax anti-lockdown statements

 

Seems to me more yet another crafted attempt to include anti-vax sentiment wrapped in something

 

Personal?

I attacked the statement, and prior statements like them, not his whole post(s), and will continue to challenge statements like that from anyone, and more forcefully the more often they are made.

Edited January 21, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Dissembled

 

Some people think that many of those who died would have died anyway

reality - as everyone dies, and many technically from pneumonia, so a small minority use that excuse for what they want to excuse/normalise

 

We would not close the country down for flu

- REALLY - even if it was hospitalising 2000 a day and killing 300+ a day

---- Seems more realistic to me to say that if it were ANYTHING apart from COV doing that - we WOULD be in full lockdown

Edited January 21, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

- let alone if the cause were something that was scientifically PROVEN to mutate around prior infection/vaccination resistance.