Mutating Corona Virus

[tobyjugg2]

Good point

.. but these populists dont normally need anything but 'an interpretation that it aint against the laws of physics' to state thinks do they?

[tobyjugg2]

Israel did what the UK is doing

 

"“The vaccinations were supposed to solve everything,” he said. “We now understand that the vaccines are not enough.”"

Professor Davidovitch, Israeli public health expert

 

Israel, Once the Model for Beating Covid, Faces New Surge of Infections - The New York Times

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One of the most vaccinated societies, Israel now has one of the highest infection rates in the world, raising questions about the vaccine’s efficacy.

 

Israel reports 7,129 new COVID-19 cases | Macau Business

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International, MNA | Israel's Ministry of Health reported 7,129 new COVID-19 cases on Saturday, bringing the tally of infections in the country to 985,341.

 

 

 

[unclebulgaria67]

 

 

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Vaccinations - Statistics and Research

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Our vaccination dataset uses the most recent official numbers from governments and health ministries worldwide. The population estimates...

 

32.4% of the world population has received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, and 24.4% is fully vaccinated.
4.93 billion doses have been administered globally, and 34.25 million are now administered each day.
Only 1.4% of people in low-income countries have received at least one dose.

[hightail]

5 hours ago, tobyjugg2 said:

One of the most vaccinated societies, Israel now has one of the highest infection rates in the world, raising questions about the vaccine’s efficacy.

Are those infection rates translating into serious disease and deaths at previous rates?  If not then surely vaccination is making some difference.

[tobyjugg2]

I dont think anyone doubts that vaccination (and masks and distance where applied) are making a huge difference and are essential

 

Whats in question is whether removing ALL restrictions (including masks and distance) even for those double vaccinated is either sensible (not), should be acceptable (not), or is seriously damaging the efforts and sacrifices already made by so many (sadly yes)

 

That Israel was more vaccinated, and opened up before we did (as they were more vaccinated and had more mitigations - like temperature checks), and is now a breeding ground for spread and mutation - as we in England undoubtedly are as we dont even have the extra temperature check mitigations at crucial points - is the point.

 

85% full vaccination is NOT herd immunity level - let alone less than 75% (of the whole population)

Edited August 22, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

16 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

I dont think anyone doubts that vaccination (and masks and distance where applied) are making a huge difference and are essential

 

.. err well thats sadly wrong - but I'm sure you get the gist

[dx100uk]

why are you arguing with your own comment.....

[unclebulgaria67]

If herd immunity is not possible, even with say 90% of the world population vaccinated, which is an unlikely high percentage, will life for most people have changed forever ?

 

If we are going to live with Covid, with thousands of people in the UK having the virus at any one time, with daily deaths directly due to Covid and hospitalisation taking up a percentage of NHS resources, what changes will we see as a result ?

 

Will air travel from now on always require a negative test result ?  

 

Attending large indoor events could always require a negative test result ?

 

Mixed home and office working could be permanent, if employers require staff with any symptoms to work from home ?  E.g. have a cold, stay at home to work if you can, do not attend workplace if coughing and sneezing.

 

What other changes could be permanent ?

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

8 hours ago, dx100uk said:

why are you arguing with your own comment.....

 

Correcting my own mistake once I re-read it

There clearly are doubts about vaccination by conspiracy nuts, but the gist was - nobody who isnt a nut and who looks at the available facts would think that vaccination and masks weren't essential

 

(another site stall generated typo corrected too)

Edited August 23, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

2 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

If herd immunity is not possible, even with say 90% of the world population vaccinated, which is an unlikely high percentage, will life for most people have changed forever ?

 

Effectively for all but the younger of the generations - yes

 

There are limits on how much 'mutating' the current virus can do .. but although most would seem to be 'neutral' they do include some distinctly disastrous (for us)  mutations

.. and there is always the significant chance of another species jump out and back in again

Edited August 23, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

10 hours ago, tobyjugg2 said:

I dont think anyone (except the anti-vaxxer nutters like piers corbyn) who has examined the facts doubts that vaccination (and masks and distance where applied) are making a huge difference and are essential

 

Whats in question is whether removing ALL restrictions (including masks and distance) even for those double vaccinated is either sensible (not), should be acceptable (not), or is seriously damaging the efforts and sacrifices already made by so many (sadly yes)

 

That Israel was more vaccinated, and opened up before we did (as they were more vaccinated and had more mitigations - like temperature checks), and is now a breeding ground for spread and mutation - as we in England undoubtedly are as we dont even have the extra temperature check mitigations at crucial points - is the point.

 

85% full vaccination is NOT herd immunity level - let alone less than 75% (of the whole population)

 

Corrected in place due to lack of clarity in prior correction

Edited August 23, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

 

 

Full FDA approval of Pfizer Covid shot will enable vaccine requirements | US news | The Guardian

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Food and Drug Administration is trying to finish its licensing process for the drug as soon as Monday

 

 

The F.D.A. is aiming to give full approval to Pfizer’s Covid vaccine on Monday. - The New York Times

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Federal regulators are winding down the process of licensing Pfizer’s two-dose coronavirus vaccine, setting up an approval possibly by Monday and...

 

 

 

"Some universities and hospitals are expected to mandate inoculation once a vaccine is fully approved. The Pentagon this month said it planned to make Covid vaccinations mandatory for the country’s 1.3 million active-duty troops “no later” than the middle of next month, or sooner if the F.D.A. acts earlier."

 

 

-significant as a number of anti-vaxers are using the emergency approvals as excuses

Edited August 23, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[hightail]

3 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

Mixed home and office working could be permanent, if employers require staff with any symptoms to work from home ?  E.g. have a cold, stay at home to work if you can, do not attend workplace if coughing and sneezing.

That's something should always have been in place anyway so I'd be delighted to see it happen.  Won't in the real world though.

 

One of the things I'd have loved to see come out of this pandemic is a rebalancing of power between employers and workers, maybe I should say between bad employers and workers.  Whereas it does appear to be happening in some sectors which are currently experiencing a shortage of labour, sadly i don't see it lasting.

[tobyjugg2]

on a lighter note

I didnt know wee willy Krankie had emigrated into such a high position ...

 

‘Spread your legs’: New Zealand makes hay with Covid minister’s gaffe | New Zealand | The Guardian

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Chris Hipkins delivered some light relief from Covid news with an x-rated health advice slip-up

 

[unclebulgaria67]

One of the consequences of Covid, is people  taking the opportunity to visit places around the UK !

 

Snowdon: Call to respect mountain amid spike in visitors

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Litter, erosion and traffic put "significant pressure" on the mountain, says the Snowdonia Society.

 

[tobyjugg2]

USA to supply a further 1 million vaccine doses to Vietnam on top of 6 million already donated there.

[honeybee13]

It's a start, isn't it, TJ? But there are 96 million Vietnamese.

[tobyjugg2]

Has 'global' britain,

who cant hold an airport against some Taliban for a week without the US, - despite Johnson 'the Liar' claiming that the evacuation wouldn't end in August, or even the start of Sept (limited though that claim was) - mind you Johnson is an unmitigated incompetent crap peddling liar IMCCO - no doubt Johnson meant that people who the Taliban allow to leave/travel after 31st will arguably be 'evacuees' ...

- sent any vaccines anywhere yet?

 

What happened to all those vaccines we had where the dates were running out? - I've heard nothing.

Edited August 25, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

I haven't heard about the vaccines. It would be tragic if they were disposed of.

[tobyjugg2]

Last I heard:

 

NHS urged to redistribute near-expiry vaccines as take-up slows in young | Vaccines and immunisation | The Guardian

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Doctors across England raise alarm as 170,000 Moderna doses at risk of expiry within fortnight

 

[brassnecked]

Weren't they  going to the 12 years old and up with offer of a burger or an Uber or some other inducement?  they will all have expired by now though, so wasted, criminal lack of planning from the NHS and Johnson Junta.

[tobyjugg2]

So whos been offered the pneumonia jab?

 

Pneumococcal vaccine overview - NHS

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Find out about the pneumococcal vaccine, also known as the pneumonia vaccine, which protects against serious and potentially fatal pneumococcal...

 

Edited August 25, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[brassnecked]

Thought they gave that to vulnerable people already TJ?

 

[tobyjugg2]

Sorry HB - clear as mud wasn't I

 

anyone any experience of the pneumonia jab ?

[honeybee13]

Yes, I had it at the same time my flu jab. If you're asking whether I reacted, I didn't.