Mutating Corona Virus

[tobyjugg2]

Not to my knowledge - and those the ones that were sent to Australia are now being rumoured to have been manufactured in the the EU NOT the UK ... and AZ got caught by the EU with the second batch going from the EU to Oz? Not sure - but seems to make sense.

 

How many countries now effectively dropped or dropping the AZ vaccine even if they wont outright say it - although Faucci largely did say it didn't he?

Not so much the low efficacy and more limited effect against newer strains than other options (better than chinese and probably as good as Janson), it seems more that they cant be trusted in either reporting, testing results or delivery - despite pretty much everyone the medical benefits far outweighing the risks

- its no use if you cant relay on delivery to plan vaccinations.

Not to my knowledge - and those the ones that were sent to Australia are now being rumoured to have been manufactured in the the EU NOT the UK ... and AZ got caught by the EU with the second batch going from the EU to Oz? Not sure - but seems to make sense.

 

How many countries now effectively dropped or dropping the AZ vaccine even if they wont outright say it - although Faucci largely did say it didn't he?

Not so much the low efficacy and more limited effect against newer strains than other options (better than chinese and probably as good as Janson), it seems more that they cant be trusted in either reporting, testing results or delivery - despite pretty much everyone the medical benefits far outweighing the risks

- its no use if you cant relay on delivery to plan vaccinations.

[honeybee13]

France aren't dropping AZ, they're offering it to all the over-55s at pharmacies and GP surgeries.

[tobyjugg2]

Theres a fair bit of International trading going on with the AZ vaccine doses it would seem

 

Lets look at what we think we know about the AZ/UK/EU spat

 

We know beyond any doubt that Johnson is a lying piece of crap whos natural state is to lie, cheat and con

even if it not only isnt needed but is likely to make a good result extremely unlikely.

 

AZ factories in the UK had evidently fixed the problems that were later afflicting the EU plants? Whys that then?

 

The supply chain is worldwide with lots of it passing through the EU even for any UK AZ factories - very little is exported from the UK even if Johnson allowed it.

AZ have poked the supply chain dragon

 

Johnson and AZ would clearly seem to be in collusion. Any fool can see that even if twisting various meaning could give an outside chance long shot argument that they werent

- which all other things aside drags AZ's reputation down to Johnsons

 

AZ appears to be arguing that the UK has fixed delivery in the contracts but the EU only has reasonable endeavours - and that reasonable endeavours dont mean squat if AZ/UK has other priorities

AKA In collusion with Johnson AZ took vast sums from the EU and the US including pre-payments for vaccine delivers, while intending (as they claim the UK deal was agreed first) to do a Johnson and welch..giving the UK sole priority.

The EU may need to rest their case on 'bad faith' on the part of AZ.

 

AZ rep is almost certainly trashed whatever happens = and they are dust if the EU imposes sanctions which 'inhibit' AZ supply chain through the EU.

 

Edited April 22, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Bidens been rather discrete so far - largely just kicking AZ out of the manufacturing plant it shared with JJ, but expect quiet slappings ongoing

but Von Der Voman is far less willing to put up with Johnsons tin pot banana dictators' crap than the EU would previously

 

If it wasn't for the Irish border I think the EU would have just decided to treat the UK like another North Korea - I do NOT jest

Edited April 22, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

England’s Covid R rate has risen to between 0.8 and 1.0, scientists advising the government have said.

• Regional figures show R might now be above 1 in London, the south-west and east of England.

 

[honeybee13]

It's going well for no10 then. Johnson has picked a fight with Demonic, an expert at fights, because Doris got annoyed about leaks coming out daily. Now the Mail has another one about Johnson saying he would rather see bodies piling up in their thousands than have another lockdown.

 

Demonic may have kept recordings of conversations...

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9510133/Boris-Johnson-said-bodies-pile-high-order-lockdown-sources-claim.html

[tobyjugg2]

Johnson (allegedly)  "No more ****ing lockdowns - let the bodies pile high in their thousands!"

 

.. which Downing Street has strongly denied

and followed that with a claim of : “just another lie”

.. errr wonder what the context to that is?

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-said-he-would-rather-let-bodies-pile-high-than-impose-third-lockdown-reports-claim/ar-BB1g2FIK

Edited April 26, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

and did Johnson approve the european super league? Then use it?

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/25/boris-johnson-urged-reveal-if-endorsed-european-super-league-plans

[honeybee13]

It's looking like yet another u-turn, TJ.

[tobyjugg2]

“No more fucking lockdowns – let the bodies pile high in their thousands!’” the Daily Mail reports

 

ITV’s Robert Peston has two other sources for the remark, which was allegedly uttered while the door to Johnson’s office was open to both the Cabinet Room and his outer office

 

Even the BBC reported the PM had said “bodies could pile high” and he would still be opposed to yet another lockdown. and led with the claim – that “he would rather let thousands of bodies pile high in the streets than have another lockdown”

 

Johnsons' ?denial?:

“No, er, but, er, again, I think the important thing that people want us to, er, get on and do as a government is to make sure the lockdowns work.”

 

- Paul Waugh plagiarised

[snowdragon]

you really hate this guy dont you TJ!

I am not a fan of his either, so who would you want in his place? Labour?  Liberals? who, all as bad as each other and dont you just love it that now the local elections are coming round they all come calling! never see them any other time ! 

[honeybee13]

I've edited the language in Paul Waugh's first sentence slightly, TJ.

 

Snowdragon, given that you don't like any politicians, who would you suggest?

 

HB

[snowdragon]

HB

 none of the Politicians are worthy! maybe  we should put TJ forward! lol  

[AndyOrch]

Off topic posts moved to here:-

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

3 hours ago, snowdragon said:

you really hate this guy dont you TJ!

I am not a fan of his either, so who would you want in his place? Labour?  Liberals? who, all as bad as each other and dont you just love it that now the local elections are coming round they all come calling! never see them any other time ! 

 

I believe he's the absolute epitome of what is wrong with British politics and then some

I would rather ANYONE was in power rather than Johnson and his populist cronies - even Gove a more 'traditional' ******

 

Does Starmer inspire me - No - but I would far FAR rather he were in power rather than ANY tory populist (or Corbynist) who might be in the running. I'd perhaps prefer one of Starmers leftenants over Starmer.

I'd more prefer someone more like Sturgeon or Ardern

 

Simply saying 'all politicians lie so none' is IMO a crappy excuse for not declaring who you believe is the least worst even if not the best, and just leaves the worst in power

and Johnson has defined and taken British politics consistently FAR FAR below any lows I have seen in my lifetime

 

Edited April 27, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

3 hours ago, snowdragon said:

you really hate this guy dont you TJ!

I am not a fan of his either, so who would you want in his place? Labour?  Liberals? who, all as bad as each other

 Really?

Are you really of the opinion that (ex Corvbyn) Labour or the libs or even the greens would be ANYTHING like as bad as Johnson?

[snowdragon]

yes, so glad Corbyn  went, there is no one in my opinion  good enough to run this  country, al full of promises and hot air but soon as get in they forget about us!

[honeybee13]

Someone has to run the country though, Sandy.

[snowdragon]

I know HB, but who?  a class room full of children am sure could do better! still think we should all nominate TJ!    

[tobyjugg2]

I'd probably go down in history as the UKs worst dictator since Henry VIII if I were

 

So Sandy - you think that Johnson in power is as good/bad as any?

Whys that then?

I am of course looking to question and challenge that thinking ... but wont be as harsh as I often am

Edited April 27, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[snowdragon]

haahha, Johnson is a lumbering buffoon, he has some good points but mostly bad, tbh I have no idea who be any good as I dont  follow Politics or even watch TV  so I am no use! lol

 

Sandy

[snowdragon]

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/singing-fish-glows-green-during-173011290.html

 

might want a laugh xx

[tobyjugg2]

10 minutes ago, snowdragon said:

haahha, Johnson is a lumbering buffoon, he has some good points

 

Lets challenge that for starters

Unless you like dumb lumbering sociopathic blondes who could in an instant be a cause of the death or destitution of someone dear to you (think 'Bunny boiler' + lumbering), can you gives us an example? let alone 2

 

[snowdragon]

do you mind I am blonde!

 

So come on then TJ, who do you suggest

Edited April 27, 2021 by snowdragon

[tobyjugg2]

But you would NOT seem to be a self-entitled immature sociopathic bunny boiler, however hard you try to avoid being pinned down,

 

Stop dodging Sandy, I've already said I would vote for Starmer, despite not being overly impressed. I have no doubts whatsoever Starmer would be a far better option than Johnson (or Gove, or Corbyn)

 

Edited April 27, 2021 by tobyjugg2