Mutating Corona Virus

[brassnecked]

YesTJ questions must be asked, but if Big brother watch are going in hard, there is usually substance to it  The copper is obeying Sturgeons instructions, the daughter is epileptic and fell into a fit when grabbed by the copper apparently.  No doubt more will come out soon.

[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, brassnecked said:

YesTJ questions must be asked, but if Big brother watch are going in hard, there is usually substance to it  The copper is obeying Sturgeons instructions, the daughter is epileptic and fell into a fit when grabbed by the copper apparently.  No doubt more will come out soon.

 

I must have missed sturgeon hold a rally instructing police to go in there and fight, geve 'em the heeed ...

 

.. but that copper def has some explaining to do to his superiors and perhaps a disciplinary investigation whatever else the situation

 

[citizenB]

4 hours ago, hightail said:

I know and they’re being allowed to choose.  I really don’t get it.  We’re using this vaccine first on people who are already corralled and quarantined while the working population are left til last and now we’re giving them the very choice the rest are to be denied.  

I share your puzzlement over this hightail.  It probably is a difficult decision to make as to who is first on the list, but I would have assumed that those working in the NHS 'patient facing', school staff, shop staff, dentists, opticians , to have been first on the list.  For those who have been chosen to go first to refuse to take whatever version is on offer is bizarre. 

 

 I am assuming (and probably should not) that they have chosen care home residents and the elderly who may well have been shielding is in the first instance because they have a good proportion of 'victims' in one place eg, care homes and that those who have been shielding would be welcoming either version of the vaccine in order to feel safe. 

 

I do agree that politicians should be last on the list though

[citizenB]

2 hours ago, brassnecked said:

Thoughts, should the Police in England & Wales do similar?  That is what is on the cards if the Muppet West Midlands PCC had his way.

 

The video does not really seem to capture everything other than a lot of noise - why did the homeowners simply not confirm that their daughter had been discharged from hospital - from what I am seeing, the two people at the door appear to be confrontational.  Who is actually videoing this ?

[citizenB]

2 women in separate vehicles, drive 5 miles to beauty spot to take exercise - their hot drinks presumably purchased on the way are apparently classed as a picnic ! and the police have issued penalty fines of £200.00 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55560814

 

 

[brassnecked]

@CitizenB that is what needs answering , looking at it from what is captured, the police weren't for listening he was bent on searching the house for illicit visitors, and didn't give the occupier the chance to explain, looks like family videoed it, I needs investigating and no doubt it will be.

[honeybee13]

Derbyshire police seem to be quite tough.

 

Are the rules clear enough? Fwiw, when France was in tough lockdown, people couldn't exercise or walk dogs more than I km from where they lived and for not longer than an hour a day.

[brassnecked]

Big problem is clarity for sure HB, with differences in England Wales Scotland and NI.

[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, citizenB said:

2 women in separate vehicles, drive 5 miles to beauty spot to take exercise - their hot drinks presumably purchased on the way are apparently classed as a picnic ! and the police have issued penalty fines of £200.00 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55560814

 

 

 

that seems excessive too

 

I cycle more than 5 miles for exercise

 

Edited January 8, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

reading through the report, it seems the police intends to fine them for breaching an entirely personal interpretation 'the spirit' of the lockdown rather than any actual law

 

Appeal + complaint if it were me.

 

and why so many coppers there?

 

"A Derbyshire police spokesperson said the force will be using it's "four e's approach" - Engage, Explain, Encourage and Enforce to tackle any lockdown breaches in the county."

 

sure sounds like they didn't bother with the first three steps in any real way.

Edited January 8, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[hightail]

32 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

I cycle more than 5 miles for exercise

I'm a master criminal in that I walk my dog at first light and 3 or 4 days a week go for a run later in the day.  Have done this since day 0ne of the first lockdown and can count on the fingers of one hand when I've been within a km of another human.

[hightail]

25 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

"A Derbyshire police spokesperson said the force will be using it's "four e's approach" - Engage, Explain, Encourage and Enforce to tackle any lockdown breaches in the county."

 

sure sounds like they didn't bother with the first three steps in any real way.

Didn't bother, never intended to bother, couldn't wait for their first victims I'd guess.

[tobyjugg2]

So, these beauty spots are advertising that they are open for exercise as allowed,

but the latest regs say

 

"If you do leave home for a permitted reason, you should always stay local - unless it is necessary to go further, for example to go to work. Stay local means stay in the village, town, or part of the city where you live."

 

So when is Jenrick going to be fined for wandering around his three 'homes'?

Edited January 8, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[brassnecked]

Stay Local, where do they think we are Royston Vasey?  Its becoming very league of gentlemen.

[tobyjugg2]

 

... permit required to enter kent

quickly followed by .. permit required to leave your street

 

[brassnecked]

19 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

 

... permit required to enter kent

quickly followed by .. permit required to leave your street

 

Ausweiss Bitte.........

[tobyjugg2]

i think the thing to actually remember is that from what i can see, and I'm not a barrister:

 

* the LAW says stay local, without expanding any further on that

* apparently its just guidance that suggests local town, village, part of city is local

* Dominic Cummings and Jenrick stretch(ed) the letter of the Law let alone ignored the spirit and guidance of the rules and are considered and stated by the law makers as acting "responsibly, legally and with integrity"

[Ethel Street]

 

2 hours ago, tobyjugg2 said:

but the latest regs say "If you do leave home for a permitted reason, you should always stay local - unless it is necessary to go further, for example to go to work. Stay local means stay in the village, town, or part of the city where you live."

 

That's the guidance not the law, not the Regulations.   https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home  It also says "exercise with your household (or support bubble) or one other person, this should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area."

 

The Regulations just say "Exception 1 is that it is reasonably necessary for the person concerned (“P”) to leave or be outside the place where P is living (“P’s home”) ...  (c) to take exercise outside ....[alone or with defined other people]".  No mention of local area or once a day.

 

I'd guess that police forces trying to apply that Regulation to prevent people travelling to exercise are interpreting it as meaning "is it reasonably necessary for you to have travelled to here to exercise?"

Edited January 8, 2021 by Ethel Street

[hightail]

35 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

* the LAW says stay local, without expanding any further on that

* apparently its just guidance that suggests local town, village, part of city is local

It's difficult to define 'local'.  My nearest supermarket is over 6 miles away, my nearest bank even further and my nearest council recycling centre over 10.  All of these places I'm permitted to use.  When I walk my dog I put him in the car to travel one mile to end up around half a mile from home.  Sounds mad I know but it's to get across a busy A road which would be very dangerous to cross on foot.  Of all these journeys the only one the police are likely to question is the shortest.

[brassnecked]

Will have fun then when I go to Scotland as second driver on a job I've been asked to help on, as due to Wee Nicola, not enough hours to drive up, sort the  construction site IT and drive back, as not permitted to stop overnight in Scotland.  Will make sure we have our Ausweiss ready at Scottish Border.

[hightail]

26 minutes ago, Ethel Street said:

Stay local means stay in the village, town, or part of the city where you live."

A 5k run automatically exceeds that requirement.  A 2k walk probably does.  What exactly counts as permitted exercise - a gentle stroll round the block?

[brassnecked]

It all depends what the copper questioning you in the street dedcides is Local.

[honeybee13]

16 minutes ago, hightail said:

A 5k run automatically exceeds that requirement.  A 2k walk probably does.  What exactly counts as permitted exercise - a gentle stroll round the block?

 

That's what I was meaning about the rules being clear enough, really.

[hightail]

5 minutes ago, brassnecked said:It all depends what the copper questioning you in the street dedcides is Local.

Or decides is ‘exercise’.  To someone who is horrendously overweight and has hardly moved in years a walk of 100m is worthwhile.  Doesn’t mean the same would be be of benefit to someone who works out and runs regularly.

[unclebulgaria67]

My daily commute is now about 1 minute each way, was 60 minutes each way.

 

Civil Service appears to see new strain of virus as a much higher risk and wants most staff working from home, unless this is not possible.